Steel deck mowers now available!

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We are pleased to announce the introduction of two steel deck mowers soon to be available on homedepot.com. We offer a 20" push and self-propelled model. Links here for more information: https://goo.gl/Jc56WI & https://goo.gl/98pQGi
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Posted 2 years ago

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Exciting news! I saw those on one of Ego's European websites last year and thought they looked pretty rugged.

I look forward to reading what people think of them once they start picking them up.
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Hey now, that's a nifty surprise! Are there any advantages to the new design beyond the more compact deck and steel construction?


Here it comes... the usual questions!


1. In store or on-line only?

2. Price higher or lower than 21" models?

3. Replacing 21" models or sold along side them?

4. Replacing original 20" mower?

5. Same blade as existing 20" mower?

Edit: Availability in Canada? :-)
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You can satisfy SOME of the people ALL of the time, and ALL of the people SOME of the time... so the mower with the turbo button, will suffer from low run time. =)
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"WE WANT EGO MODE!!! FULL POWER."

Some might say - Power beyond belief
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@Jacob, regarding the boost mode, could it also be a speed sensor that checks blade RPM and when it drips below the threshold it spins it up to over come the perceived load? My gen 1 20" mower does it once it a while when it hits those patches of zoysia (tough), but 2-3 seconds later the speed drops backdown.
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I need full vacuum power all the time to pick up the cut grass!
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Use the high-lift blade.
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Price is higher.  If you follow the links $749 and $649.
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Big Exciting Brushless Steel Deck News!

Will the self-propelled be available without the battery option? 
Interesting that it is $200 more than the 21"SP with same 7.5 aH battery.
It weighs 60.7lbs (manual spec) vs 62.6 lbs for the 21" SP.
6 cutting heights: 1 3/16 - 4' vs 1.5" - 4" nice for you short-cut folks.
Brushless motor is a nice improvement I hope. 3000 rpm vs 2800 rpm Anyone know what the old 20" rpm is?
When will they be in stock in the US?
I would like to know if it is a better mulcher than the 21" and comparable to the old 20"excellent mulching performance.
Can I be an official tester? Please. I'll gladly put it through it's paces.
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Can you confirm if this is a "Brushless" motor as indicated on HomeDepot.com.
Thanks
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How often we need to replace Brushes, on 2100? (Weekly 1Hr Use, after how many years? Is it user replaceable?)
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Judging from the wear on mine. 30 years.. and not lying either.
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Jacob would know, he's push mowed more grass with his 20" mower than most people would consider sane. :-D
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Hey. Those days are over now... Cuz Frankenmower handles it all so fast. So wonderful. It's going Peak Power mode soon. Waiting on parts from eBay.
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Run time is rated at 70 minutes  vs 60 min 21"SP (7.5 aH)
Back to 60L bagging capacity vs 70L 21"SP
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What are the benefits to the steel deck over plastic?  Off the bat, they look lower profile.  And I would think steel stampings are less costly to produce than all the injection molded plastic, so hopefully the price will be lower (eventually).  Steel has been traditionally used for mowers for decades, so it's interesting to see the move in that direction.
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Looks like they have added a side discharge chute in between the wheels like standard gas mowers; that should improve upon the rear discharge issue.
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WOAH. Talk about a surprise. I didn't see this coming.

Hey. Gimme my 60" mower...... please. I can't finish mine cuz I'm not smart enough to finish it.
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I think these are more tailored to landscaping companies? Cuz they are alot more expensive. 20" self propelled for 750. 150 more than the 21".......... but still glad to see more products making it here
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Steve, here's a copy of the specs for the three mowers:

20"


20" Steel


21"


Based on the 19.5" length of the 20" blade and the 20.5" length of the 21" blade, here are the tip velocities based on the specified blade RPM, in Feet Per Minute:

Plastic Deck 20" = 16,847 FPM (Constant)
Steel Deck 20" = 15,315 FPM (Minimum)
Plastic Deck 21" = 15,027 FPM (Minimum)

We know the 21" mowers ramp up their speed when the cutting load increases, but we don't know by how much.  Same goes for the new steel deck 20" according to Amber's response above.
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So, does the faster RPM/FPM 20" plastic deck mower (LM2002) mulch and vac better and cut cleaner than the slower 21" mower and the new 20" steel deck brushless mowers?

If so, is this difference discernible how the mower performs and how the finished lawn looks?
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I did a little bit of reading on blade speed and, from what I can tell, higher blade tip velocity will improve cut quality but only up to a certain point. The blade and mower deck work as a system, and their design will likely have a bigger impact on cut quality than blade velocity alone.

In the (limited) reading I did, the highest blade tip velocity I found was 19000 FPM, and that was on a commercial Zero-Turn mower designed to cut at 9 MPH.

Specific to your question, the 21" and 20" steel mowers have variable speed motors that ramp up in thicker grass. The variable speed range is not published so all we know is the minimum speed. Some people have commented that the original 20" mower did a better job than the 21" mower did, however, the 21" Ego models have extremely good reviews on HD's website, so plenty of people are very happy with them.
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Thanks, Blue Angel.    Your answer puts the RPM/FPM data into perspective.  

The 21" has a one percentage point approval rating over the 20" despite several complaints about vacuum and mulch power.   

I don't want to use the grass catcher, just to mulch, except in the fall when I either rake or vac the leaves on one side of my house by the woods.  I'll probably do that once a week or after a storm.   I'll pick up limbs/twigs first, though.

My grass is mostly centipede, which must be cut medium high, so it should not overload any of the EGO mowers.

Is the deck design of the 21" is good enough, safe enough - is the mulch plug is well designed/strong enough to stay put?  

Or do you think folks should spring for the new steel deck and the brushless motor?  

I have the 21" LM2101 sitting in a box in my van, trying to decide what to do.

I first bought the Ryobi 20" and the battery and charger defective so I didn't get to try it out.   HD gave me $50. off on the EGO 2101.  I'm reluctant to get it out of the box until I am sure it is the best one safety and durability wise.   The Brushless Motor and Steel Deck sound great - but no reviews to compare it to the LM2101 I have on hand.

Once burnt - twice shy.   :-(
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I haven't ever had a mulch plug come off.. centipede grass.. don't know. But doesn't it require more power? If so, the 21 self propelled is the way to go or the new steel deck version
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Sibyl, The 21" mower has proven to be a very well designed, robust tool.  I doubt you have any reason to worry about its durability.  Given Ego's reputation with their other products I have no doubt the steel deck mowers will be great, but they are more expensive and nobody has had a chance to try them out yet... whether they will be worth the added cost is still undetermined.

Too bad about the Ryobi, but I think you're better off with Ego stuff anyway. :-)
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I don't see the advantage to having a steel deck.
Wouldn't the extra weight kill the battery faster?
Is the height adjustment still limited to the same as the 21"?
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1. More robust, maybe?
2. The steel mowers are actually lighter!
3. I posted all the specs above.
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"BRUSHLESS" I would have led with that... (instead of Steel Deck).
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We are happy to confirm that these mowers are indeed brushless. Specs being updated as we speak.
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So what you're telling me is:

1. HD was correct and it's Ego that published incomplete information? That doesn't happen every day!

2. I actually NEED one of these new mowers.

Also, can we confirm that the Push and SP steel deck mowers have 700W and 1000W motors, respectively? If that's the case, the 1000W model will be darn near unstoppable given it would be more efficient than the brushed model, and that mower is a beast!
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Going back to a 20" blade from the 21" makes sense as the brushless motor is more efficient than brushed.
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As I think about this, I think I'm backwards... it probably takes a more powerful motor to drive a longer (21" vs. 20") blade, so all things the same a BL motor should be able to drive a 22" blade over a 21" with brushed motor at the same power usage.

So they likely went back to 20" for other reasons: likely to save weight on the steel deck... the difference in AREA between a 21" vs 20" circle is 31 square inches, assuming 3/32" think steel... well it's just heavier. =)
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$200 more, 7mm lower .... the brushless design should last longer with less issues but that puts you almost double the price of a Toro. You have to really want electric.
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Count me as another one who doesn't get it.  A steel deck doesn't seem to have any advantages over the plastic one.  Sure, perhaps it can be more robust, but there are about a million Glock owners who would disagree with that.  Really, has anyone had a problem with their plastic deck ego?  It seems almost indestructible.  If you leave it outside in the sun for 10 years, the plastic may eventually get brittle.  But who does that with a $600 mower? A steel deck will rust during the same time period, so it's probably a moot point anyways. 

More options are always good, so I won't be too negative about it.  I'm sure there are some people out there who would prefer a metal deck (though I don't know why), and I hope EGO sells a milllion of them.  Perhaps it's a "perception" thing?  People think plastic is cheap and they can't get behind a $600 mower that's all plastic?  
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Agree. What's the big deal with a steel deck? I just got rid of my 21 in. Honda with a metal deck when I picked up the EGO. Now if the vacuum blade was better.....
Why all the excitement?
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I agree, this 20 inch steel deck mower isn't a game changer. Ego may be trying to unify their market offering between the U.S. and Europe, and this mower is just the first product to come over. Both the multitool and highlift blade have been available in Europe and as they bring them to the U.S., they may bring over all of their other products over time like the backpack battery, etc. But hey what do I know, I could be way off the mark :)
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The new steel deck mowers are Brushless. This should pay off with a superior mix of power and run time.
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Does the LM2101 - 21" mower have a brushless motor?   
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No, a brushed motor.
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Blue is correct. This model does not have a brushless motor.
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How much of a difference will the brushless motor make in the power to the blade? I was one of the few that returned the mower last year because it bogged down on me too many times, took too long to ramp up the power, and quite frankly didn't mulch that well (yes, I'm aware there's an entire thread debating this). It really would be useful to be able to set the power to whatever RPMs can handle the max grass, and give up battery life. I'm fine changing batteries more often. 

My other question would be why not give it a more powerful motor?? 2000W on a multi tool (which I'll be the first to order), but only 1000W (or 700W on the push) on a lawnmower? Why not give us the ability to use 2 batteries - a la the snowblower? 

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the blower and the snowblower - the two tools I have in my garage right now, and again, I'll be in line to get the multi tool on day 1. The tech is out there and EGO has mastered it - but its like we're being handcuffed on the lawnmower for some reason.
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"It really would be useful to be able to set the power to whatever RPMs can handle the max grass, and give up battery life. I'm fine changing batteries more often."

I'm never going to stop pushing for the ability to manually ramp up the power.
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Really good points. I think your idea of more power and allowing for two batteries on the mower makes sense, especially if you have a stock of batteries. They could sell it with 2x5 Ah or 2x7.5 Ah, or bare for us folks who have 10 batteries.
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There wouldn't be a gas mower that could keep up with it. No way.
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I meant if it was 2000 watts. Nothing could keep up with the power
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You mean Power Beyond Belief?
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Nice!  LOL
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Jury is out until we see how it mulches and if the SP drive train is engineered better.

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Ex, is there an issue with the current SP mower's drive train?
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Some have complained about the mower "lifting" when the drive is engaged and some have documented different cut heights when going "uphill". I have duped the "lift" issue but I understand some mowers are more pronounced than others...possibly due to "play" in the drives gearbox to the mower base.
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Wheelie bars, that's the solution to the lift problem.. =)
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Right, I forgot about that, but I didn't relate that to a defect in the drive as much as an issue with the tolerances in the wheel height adjustment mechanism.
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Okay, I decided to order this new mower from the USA to see if there are substantial improvements over the 21"SP mowers that we are using. I really wanted to order a bare unit without a battery but I am not able to wait it out. I am having ongoing issues with my three 21" SP mowers, ranging from...
!. SP not functioning at times,
2. Mower or SP not starting up (with lights working) which has now resolved itself...possibly caused due to heavy rain conditions for a number of hours.
3. One unit cuts out and back on with the movement of the arm/handle up & down. Works when holding the handle upward. All the clasps are good. Must be a connection issue. Taking it in for service.
4. Back flaps have come off of two mowers. One came off when mowing and was cut into pieces.
5. SP gear wheel wears out. This happened on the first two units which Ego replaced within the 90 day period.
6. Not mulching well...ongoing.

So, I am hopeful that this mower is built better for a commercial level of use and provides quality mulching ability like the original 20" version.
Don't get me wrong...this should be a great, reliable mower for regular home use and the 5-year warranty should serve you well. 
We use the mowers for approx. 14-20 hours/week each and after one year of use they are not standing up well. Even though they have a 2-year commercial use warranty, reliability and durability for the two years are more important. Having to have them repaired just means that I am forced to have backup mowers which in the end will sit when others are in service and the warranty period will be less relevant.

I'll do a thorough review after I get the new 20" SP Steel Deck Brushless Mower after a good trial period. I'll let ya'll know about it's mulching ability right away.
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Jacob, Blue Angel, I'm curious as to how, or in what way you all are being compensated by EGO. What's the incentive?
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I got a t-shirt, a ball cap and some stickers.  I think they feed Jacob broken mower parts to fuel his insane lawn mower projects (kidding).

I was (technically still am) a moderator on a big car forum.  It got so busy that I couldn't keep up with everything that was going on and it turned into a chore.  That was about the time I bought my Ego mower and found this forum.

When I started out here over two years ago it was a very different place... much smaller group, much easier to keep track of everything, fewer tools to know.  It's starting to get pretty busy now.  I still enjoy it and it's still much easier to keep up than it was with the car forum, but it's changing.

The easy answer is I enjoy it.  I'll probably move on some day when that's no longer the case, but for now yer stuck with me. :-)
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My incentive is once in a great while we get someone like Sybil, who is happy with this forum. That's my incentive.

https://community.egopowerplus.com/eg...
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Just for the record: our Champions are not incentivized. Champion selection is based on input in the community and the quality of their contributions (not just on points). If you would like to better understand how this whole process works, please follow this link: https://community.egopowerplus.com/ego/topics/what-is-a-champion-pj37xok5ycq3h
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Steve, I also used EGO for commerical cutting granted we had the original 20's but we wore them out in about 7 months of heavy useage.
I'm also hoping the new steels decks can be put up to the task of commerical cutting.
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This is an interesting development, but I would have like to seen a new mower that holds 2 batteries with more power. I love my 21" self propelled though. I do have issues where it doesn't cut some spots where you previously went over with a wheel (is that the vacuum discussed above?).
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Mark, is there a situation where your 21" mower lacks power? Most people are very happy with the power of the 21" mowers.
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It's not a power thing, it's a vacuum thing. I'm going to try the high lift blade.
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I've had a chance to mow my grass (Kentucky Blue in MD) several times now since the spring. Usually every 4-5 days. Of course it cuts better at lower settings, but with the heat, I like to stay high. I do have an irrigation system. Really love the product; I just wish it would cut a little better (grass run over by wheels, when you come back for the next pass).
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Don't get too jazzed. When the thing breaks you'll need to buy a new mower, while you wait out the 2 - 7 weeks to see it again. Meanwhile ... the enthusiasm really falls off.
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Way to ruin the mood Ne
gative Nancy.
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Perhaps Ego is not “incentivizing” you enough, given my confusion with your (apparent) misstatement of the facts, re: the issue of whether or not the New, Self-propelled, Steel-decked mower has a REAL side-chute,” as opposed to an ADD-ON “side chute” that is (lightly) hooked into the REAR-DISCHARGE panel, and (apparently) keeps a) clogging and b) falling off so much, that owners are too disgusted to keep using it (except for the one who SCREWED it in place, of course):


By Blue Angel, re: the new, 20” Steel-decked, Self-propelled Model#  LM2022SP:  

“The steel deck has a conventional side discharge port where you lift a flap on the side of the deck and attach the discharge chute, in contrast to the rear mounted side discharge of the plastic deck mowers.” 

SOURCE:  This VERY SAME thread, HERE: 

Steel deck mowers now available!

https://community.egopowerplus.com/ego/topics/steel-deck-mowers?utm_source=notification&utm_medi...

Yet, we have WHOLE THREADS on the issue of the side chutes NOT staying on—which would be impossible, if they were TRULY a BUILT-IN “side chute,” such as you described above, instead of a REAR-DISCHARGE “Diverter-chute” (for lack of a better term). 

Here's a quote from the Ego-mower Owner:
"I found that the side discharge chute will not stay on the mower. It comes off every time I pivot the mower in a turn. The bottom of the discharge chute hits the grass/ground and gets disengaged from the back of
the mower. This looks like a design problem, that the chute needs to curve upward more. Any other ideas on how to keep it on?"

Terrible Side Discharge Chute Design 
https://community.egopowerplus.com/ego/topics/terrible-side-discharge-chute-design
 
And, before you say the above thread was about the plastic-decked, 21” mower, please read what you wrote in the above thread (dated “two months ago”):

*snip*
(a)Typical Engineer 

If it's any consolation Ego was consistent in their (poor) design of the side discharge chute between the 20" (gen 1) and 21" (gen 2).  Hopefully the 20" brushless SIDE-DISCHARGE works better; at least it is a different design, and based on a proven design (pretty much every other gas mower out there today).
*snip*” 

Except it’s NOT A “different design,” is it, Blue Angel?  Meaning, the 20”, STEEL DECKED, Self-propelled Model# LM2022SP, is STILL an ADD-ON TO THE REAR-DISHCHARGE panel? So, please explain—because for almost $1,000. (i.e. $750.+ $130. warranty) I expect a side chute to:
a)  not clog frequently and; 
b) NOT to fall off!

And there are more than just these threads on this issue.  One owner SCREWED the side on, just to keep from having it fall off, every time he raised the front wheels, to make a turn!
 
Again:  Does or Does Not the 20”, STEEL DECKED, Self-propelled Model#  LM2022SP come with a BUILT-IN side chute, located BETWEEN THE WHEELS, as opposed to an and-on, rear, plastic chute?

Thank you.
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Yes it's between the wheels. Look at a picture of it. It's not on the rear for the steel deck mowers. Everything blue said was correct. I don't understand the long post for such an obvious answer
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Would really like to know if this new model cuts better than the 21" self propelled.
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ToolHound, I believe it's you that is confused. Whether or not it's due to something I've written could be debated, I guess, but either way I don't think I've said anything other than the fact that the 20" steel deck mower DOES have a traditional side chute.

For all the time you spent researching, misreading and quoting what I wrote, it would have been much easier to just go to Ego's website and check the manual for yourself:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/026...

Page 18 has a nice picture showing how it works:



Thanks to Jacob for the photo as well.

The threads you are referring to ARE about the 21" mower, the 20" steel deck mowers weren't even available when those were written. Nobody has posted here about having to screw the chute into a steel deck mower.

ToolHound, I read your post as a very pointed accusation that I was somehow deliberately misleading people, to which I obviously take offense. I suggest the tone of your comments should lighten up a little if you want to foster productive conversation. We're all here to learn and have fun helping each other out. ;-)
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Toolhound, as always, we continue to listen and share our customers' suggestions. Understand that we would never offer a product that does not meet our standards of "Power Beyond Belief." 

In the meantime, please keep in mind that we promote a positive environment within this community. There's no reason that we can't convey displeasure or disagree, while still treating each other with the proper civility. :-) 
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New to the community and live in the Toronto (Canada) area. I need a new mower and am intrigued by Ego. Does anyone have a notion as to when the brushless (steel) versions will be available In Canada? I can confirm that as of today, they have not crossed the border.
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Ego has commented that the steel deck mowers won't be available in Canada this year. Perhaps next year, but no promises.

HD Canada doesn't do a great job of supporting Ego's lineup... there are many things we don't get here (I'm in Ottawa).

There are independent Ego retailers in Canada that may be able to get you the new mower, and you can always buy it in the US, the warranty crosses the border with the purchase.
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Tim Wieland

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Any idea when the LM2022SP will be available (again) to order from in the US?  Currently showing not available to order online?
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Amber F., Official EGO Rep

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They will be available again in early next month. Unfortunately, we do not yet have a specific date.
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Tim Wieland

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Thank you for the update, I appreciate the information.  Also, can you tell me if the steel deck mowers (specifically the LM2022SP) will be available to purchase without the battery & charger for those of us that already have an investment in other EGO battery products?
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Amber F., Official EGO Rep

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We unfortunately do not have plans to release the steel deck mowers as bare tools this year. 

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