NEW EGO 21” Self-Propelled mower with two 5.0Ah Batteries!

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THE FUTURE HAS ARRIVED! 

Are you ready for PeakPowerTM technology? Our brand new dual port mower combines the power of any two EGO batteries for unrivaled performance.


Check it out here: https://goo.gl/Bha3Jc


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Solves the problem of Ego owners who enjoy mowing so much they don't want to stop !
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LOL.  I want this, something fierce.   I'm tired of battery changes.  2 batteries would be the sweet spot for me!
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Technically you're still inserting a second battery, just at the start and end instead of in the middle of your routine.    Can still be more convenient though over switching half-way if your 7.5AH is insufficient for your yard.
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SURPRISE!!!!!

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Is this a brushless motor or the brushed like the rest of the 21” mowers?
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This is a brushless mower, Don. 
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Why are so many of your CS saying it is not? They say the documentation they have clearly state it is brushed.
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They were mistaken. We have followed up with the team to address this. I am officially stating with 100% certainty that this mower is brushless. 
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Great, thank you!
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Product page has been updated to include the Brushless motor


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Amber,
Thanks for the announcement.  From the specifications it appears that this is the same "brushed" motor on the single battery unit and spins at 2800 RPM.  Currently the single battery model with the 7.5AH battery provide adequate power for about 60 minutes.  I understand the difference that the steel deck and the brushless motor offers but what advantages does the dual battery bring to the table verses the single battery 21 SP?
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Great question! The dual port provides longer run time per charge and a more efficient power draw.
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Runtime!
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For larger yards where the 7.5ah battery is short the dual port offers a great solution that most other manufacturers have already adopted. Of course slightly more work if you have two batteries already and the single port model is to swap out the battery.
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"and a more efficient power draw."  In what way?  From what I understood, the system will run on just one battery, so its still just a 56V unit and not 112V combined power, and when both are inserted it will still try to empty the first battery before drawing from the second battery.   Is this incorrect, and if so will it alternate batteries and draw them both down equally?   

Don, to me it seems the advantage is that the 7.5AH battery is heavy and concentrates the heat in one point, and having 2x5.0AH batteries should be lighter to handle and so more useful on other tools like a handheld blower or weeder, while providing a slightly greater total mower capacity.  

6.3lbs vs 4.9lbs, so 1.3lbs less weight on your other tools... downside of course is it means the mower is heavier with both batteries.  Hmm...  
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I believe the system will run on just one battery, but if you have 2 batteries installed it will balance the use of power spreading over both batteries.  Thus it will draw them down equally.  That is how the dual battery snow blower works.
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That would help improve the longevity of the batteries I would think, and would be smart.  Can manufacturer confirm?

Also, 2.8K rpm doesn't seem super fast for a 21"er, does the brushless spin faster?  My dad always told me to run at high RPMs because it would cut the grass cleaner.
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The difference appears to be 10ah vs. 7.5ah...and that's about it. For $250 more. Unless there were some other features added, I find the 50% cost increase tough to justify (using Home Depots fairly regular sale price of $499 for the 7.5ah model vs. $749 for the 2x 5.0ah).
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Colt - Brushless motor and Peak power technology like the snow blower to get increased torque and power drawing from the 2 batteries.  not just increased run time.
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szwoopp or Amber, 

can either of you site any information from EGO that the mower has increased torque over the other brushless single battery mower?  I keep seeing people throwing that term around but I cannot get any confirmation on that.  It does not say that anywhere is in the advertisements of the product nor has an email to EGO been abel to confirm.  

I know I am sounding like I am beating a dead drum, but the only official answer I get is "both the dual port mower and snow blower will offer better run times and improved efficiencies when operated with two batteries".  

I would buy one in a heart beat if it has more torque or blade speed, as I always think having more power is better than not, but if it doesn't, I like the other deck better.  It is my opinion that if the company is not willing to advertise it, then it is probably not so, but I would really like to know if anyone has details from EGO.  
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Unbelievable!!!!!
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I surrender
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Sorry, not trying to be difficult, but don't call me out when when you cannot provide one piece of marketing information from EGO that supports "more torque".  I have heard many things from posters (some who haven't even used the mower), and youtube review videos, but I have no idea if this is their opinion or if they were given details from EGO.  IMO if you are stating this on sites, and EGO has not confirmed the information, it is a disservice to other members here unless the MFG stands behind that comment.  

EGO, please update your page information on the product if this is the case.  It currently states:

The NEW EGO 21” Self-Propelled mower with (2) 5.0Ah Batteries provides longer run time. Its PeakPowerTM technology combines the power of 2 EGO batteries for longer run time and efficient power draw with a brushless motor.

I'll probably just go buy one, test it side by side with my other mower, and then return one of them.  

I am a big EGO fan, but I think as many others have said here, they do not have the best on shelf presence at the stores (giving the consume a chance to feel the product before purchase) and it can be difficult to get details on the differences upon their product line.  I realize most of this is probably due to possible litigation, similar to litigation that hit the small gas engine world back in the early 2000's when some were sued for overstating HP values.  I guess it is just the world we live in today.   


Enjoy your mowers as I will mine, they are very nice product!  I am done commenting on this as it is pointless unless the MFG releases new information.  



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I am calling you out because I have bought three Ego Lawn mowers and have tested them side by side and there is a big difference. Obviously, you don't believe me and that's okay.  I don't care about marketing evidence because I have the actual lawn mower and can see the results.  Happy mowing!
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I would love to hear about your prior tests, that was not mentioned in any of your prior comments.  Most important would be just a simple test of the dual battery mower with one battery in, and then going over similar areas with both batteries in.  If you are telling me that the motor kicks to a higher power when comparing those too, that would be great.  I am not discrediting your word by any means.  

If you tested it against other EGO mowers side by side, and they were the "non brushless engined ego mowers", I have no doubt that the dual battery has more power.  The brushless motor is more W and more efficient than the older mower motors.  That I did get confirmed in an email from EGO.  :).  The side by side test comparing apples to apples would be the dual battery vs the steel deck brushless mower, they have the same motor.  

Thanks for your continued input.  
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I agree that Ego should put out numbers comparing the actual torque/power/rpm's vs their other models. For $750, the consumer deserves to know. I am on my 2nd Ego mower and am on the fence getting the dual chamber model as my 3rd. Real numbers can push me to pull the trigger...
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I'll put in my 2c. The dual battery (which I own) still misses blades of St. Augustine, even with reasonable overlap. I switched to the high lift blade to test, and it does better, but still misses some leaves. I never had this issue w/ any gas mower. The RPM starts quite high at first, then steps down quickly, and the mower rarely increases power even with the heavier high lift blade. I wish EGO would offer an option to keep the blade at full RPM even if the demand wasn't there. I don't have an older EGO to compare with, but I can say the mower isn't notably better than reviews of the older models regarding poor mowing performance. The blade speed/design just isn't where it needs to be.

On the flip side, I can mow my ~5000 ft^2 grassed area without significantly discharging either of the two batteries. Runtime is great. I could probably mow my yard 3 times on a single charge. I just wish I could trade some of that for higher sustained blade speed or a better designed blade so the mowing performance wasn't sub-par compared to a gas mower. Torque isn't the problem, it isn't bogging down, blade speed/blade design is. I have to mow my yard twice in opposite directions to get a good cut, which is very disappointing.
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This is very interesting and exactly what I didn't want to hear. Is the bottom of your deck clean so air is moving under their efficiently?
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The more efficient the ah's are delivered to the same motor will result in more power and torque.  You can buy a Tesla Model S with two different batteries.  Both with the same voltage, the larger battery (with more ah's) will give it a longer driving range and better 0-60mph and 1/4 mph times.  To have better times means that you have more power.  If you read Car and Driver, Road and Track or Motor Trend you would see how they convert these cars electric power to horsepower and torque.  They test these vehicles so you can evaluate their performance.  You are comparing two lawn mowers which cost around $750.  Even if I was wrong, you get an extra $200 battery with it.
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If the motor is regulated speed (as this one is) - it will not spin faster. Troy: yes, it's not a problem with maintenance. The deck is clear and I even sharpened the blades. It's just not spinning at full RPM. The few times it kicks up to high RPM in really, really thick grass, it cuts much better. I wish I could just lock it at high RPM, it would be perfect.
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David, if you haven’t yet, check out The Lawn Care Nut’s YouTube review of the 21” SP mower. He comes up with a few good suggestions on how to get the best cut on his St. Aug. lawn. He also compares it directly with a good gas mower, and in the end is pretty happy with the results.

Since the single and dual battery versions share the same deck design, his tips should be relevant.
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Finally!!
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Whoa!

Fortunately, we just have a front lawn (back is all mondo and patio) and it is only about a quarter acre so I never run out of juice.

But whoa!
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I expected more. More torque, higher rpm, brushless, shorter front nose. Ego is resting on their laurels.
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I cannot believe the mower is not brushless.  All other tools are.  The mower should be the showcase for the ego line, but i'm hugely disappointed such an expensive mower is using yesterday's tech.  If it wasn't for this thread, I would had thought all ego mowers are brushless by default.  
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The word "brushless" on its own does not necessarily mean "better".  Ego mowers have been at the top of every comparison I've seen, and many of their competitors use brushless motors.

It would seem a well designed brushed motor can absolutely compete with, or win against, a poor brushless design in both power and efficiency.

It has to be said that a good brushless motor is superior to a good brushed motor, however the word "brushless" is a very powerful marketing tool and has been used extensively to suggest a tool's superiority, whether or not that's true.
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I fully expect an ego quality brushless motor, like the one in the steel deck mower.  Especially for the money paid.  You can defend brushed motors all you want, but brushless is simply better for efficiency, battery life, longevity and power. 

I have a ryobi brushless mower and it works great for much less.  Based on my experience and reading reviews about both mowers, there's really not that much difference between the two.  I had upgraded every single piece of equipment from ryobi to ego with the exception of the mower.  I simply cant justify the move consider I'll be getting a minimum upgrade if any. 
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“...brushless is simply better for efficiency, battery life, longevity and power.”

Just because a motor is brushless doesn’t necessarily mean any of those things are true. Yes brushless motors CAN be better at those things, and on average they are, but it’s not a guarantee.

Anyway, I hope Ego keeps raising the bar and that someday when all their mowers are brushless that they offer great value. Their current brushless mowers are priced at quite a premium.
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As another poster said, ego is resting on its laurels. Top complaints about the mower are mediocre mulching and bagging capabilities for its price range. This latest update of adding dual ports for batteries at a hugely inflated price of $749 shows ego is not in lockstep with the market. $749 for a consumer mower at commercial mower price is not a good thing. At this price, you better have all the bells and whistles.
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Sounds like people are looking for this mower in the states?  LM2122E-SP https://egopowerplus.co.uk/products/mowers/lm2122e-sp-52cm-self-propelled-mower
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Ego has way too many products, particularly different variations of the same tools.  Tremendously confusing.  Please just discontinue selling all older models and only sell the latest one.  The blower has the 480cfm, 530cfm, 575cfm, and 580cfm.  Trimmer has straight shaft, split shaft, aluminum, powerhead attachment and carbon.  Hedge trimmers are 2400, 2410 and powerhead. Chainsaws are 14inches and 16inches.  Mowers are sp, push, steel deck, sp brushless (internationally), 20 inches and 21 inches.  And they are all currently available at home depot.  What a mess.  I can imagine somebody looking it up for the first time and go OMG, which is what.  

Ego's mower should be the company's flagship product with the all the bells and whistles.  In my opinion, should be sold at a very low price to lock people into the ego ecosystem.  Automatically get 2 large batteries, what do you do next, you go out and buy a bunch of ego tools.

Rant aside, clean up your product line and give us a brushless mower at a fair price. 
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They do have a brushless model, but what confuses me is that the steel deck brushless model seems to have significantly lower average reviews than the brushed plastic deck.    What I'd like to see is to work with vendors like Home Depot to ensure they have mowers on the floor, assembled, with a "dummy" display battery of appropriate weight so I can actually touch it, push it, fold the handles, and really get a feel for it.     Both Home Depots in my area only have them in a box about 15 feet in the air.

Ditto on the tools, I'd love to actually touch and see the trimmers and what not, but same problem.  I'd like to see how easy it is to click and unclick the latest multi-tool for example, or feel the weight of the backpack blower on my back with a dummy 7.5AH or 5.0AH battery.   Does no one any good if I have to "buy it to try it" as that's a barrier to entry, and if I don't like it now you have the lost value of a customer return product.
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Don,
I have to agree with your comments.  I was expecting more out of this release and wanted a reason to upgrade from my EGO current mower.  Since I already own two batteries I really don't see a major advantage of this model.  I like the concept of the dual battery but the platform needs to bring more to the table.  Maybe they will come out with a brushless steel model with more torque & RPM next year.  
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Then I would be interested as well.
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The Peak Power system should provide the motor with increased power under load (reduced voltage drop) which may give it more torque under high load conditions.

That said, the difference is probably slight since there’s no claim of superior power being made. Also, power under load is not something current 21” mower owners were complaining about.
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I wish the user is given the option to control the mower's rpm.  If I'm mulching wet grass, I want the mower to always to have higher rpm to mulch properly and not clump. 
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Its important to keep things simple.   How about simply a "turbo" button, that when selected would run the mower at peak power?     Everyone knows what that means, and would cause less questions than "what does this manual speed selector do and what's the right speed for XYZ conditions".  
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I like it Jessica.  The mower does automatically kick into high rpm when it senses a heavy load.  But it would be nice to be able to do it yourself when you feel it is needed but it is perhaps only 80% to tripping the sensor and getting the automatic boost.
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Too small. Your pulling 1000 watts for a 21". It could easily have been a 30" mower at 2000 watts..........the batteries are experiencing like 10 amps of draw each....... Good for batteries I guess.

Stop being wimps and make something huge
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       Power beyond belief
+     More cutting width
=     Home run  
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Yess!! like a rider!!
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Riders are a bad idea. Carrying people around takes a lot of power. This is why walk behinds are the way to go. You will get double the run time with a walk behind over a rider.
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took the words right out of my mouth Jacob
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Been saying this for 2 years ever since I returned my first Ego mower for being underpowered (IMO). All the other tools are awesome, but you're absolutely right, it needs to be 26-30". Double batteries does next to nothing except save about 90 seconds to do a battery change. Love Ego, but this is a huge disappointment. I will continue to wait and use my Honda for now.
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"Carrying people around takes a lot of power."  Especially the average American consumer.  :D
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Less than 24 hrs after I bought the 7.5ah mower. I was holding out and holding out and finally got fed up with my gas mower not starting yesterday. Timing is everything! Oh well, I have a small yard, I won't need the extra runtime.

On the brushless topic, I noticed the Ryobi next to the Ego at Home Depot has a brushless motor.
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A quality brushed motor is better than a crappy brushless motor.
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Brushless motors or brushed. It really doesn't make that much of a difference. I honestly prefer brush over brushless because brushless requires more electronics than brushed. I prefer simplicity
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I know from large-scale RC, that brushless can offer far greater performance.   The brushes wearing out is a non-issue, as you can just make them spring loaded and huge so they'd last two decades of mowing, but at least in aircraft there's a noticeable improvement in flight times and how fast you can spin the prop, and I'd think that'd translate to mowers in theory too since its the same concept spinning a big metal "prop".     I think what we really need to hear about are peak horsepower ratings or something we can understand, as the big question is usually not just volts and amp hours but how much current you can really pull from the battery.
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That’s pretty sweet! What about the steel deck?
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For the same price you could get the 21" SP 7.5 AH mower kit, plus an extra 7.5AH battery. I'm willing to do one battery swap (also allowing you to charge one battery while you are mowing) to get 15 AH of capacity.  [I've never felt like I've needed more power from my  7.5 AH battery mower...]
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Woah 749 for it.................. 500 for the 7.5 so model. And 250 more for this one........... Sometimes I just don't understand some companies logic.

Makita is really bad. Their prices make no sense at all.
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Holy smokes. I just now saw the price.  What in the world! 
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Steel deck would be $1000.
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I have to agree, $750?! What in the world.
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2 batteries and a brushless motor = $750
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Are both batteries active at the same time? If that's the case it doesn't work for me if they both go out at once and I have to recharge two at the same time (which is too taxing on my trailers recharging system) and have two spares to maintain the ability to mow all day long. 25,000 steps a day long.
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Yes
They are isolated and also used at the same time.

I do not miss those days when I did 18 miles to mow my lawn...
But I think my wife does.... Cuz exercise.
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Good to know. I find that I can fully recharge a 7.5 before I fully run down another 7.5. Which works great. I have three which allows me to keep one spare on board to make a quick switch when needed. Yes, the exercise has its benefits.
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I bet you don't miss getting gas for your mowers.
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Funny thing is that I have never owned a gas mower, trimmer or blower. I don't wish that on anyone. How do they do it? Can't be a healthy way to go.
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I always sort of miss my Honda gas mower.  The variable speed self-propel that adapted to speed was awesome.  Now that Honda re-labels EGO into Honda, maybe Honda can share the patent.  Everything will be electric soon enough, it's just a matter of time.
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My current Craftsman is 3 summers old starts first pull usually. Has my stride which goes slower/faster depending how you walk. Same concept. I like it so dunno if I want to get rid of it for EGO.
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NO reason to until it dies.  Don't waste a perfectly good machine to the landfill (god, did I just become eco friendly :)).   I don't think fuel and oil are as bad for the environment as batteries. 

Our society needs to start thinking about complete battery recycle centers.  All of these chemicals are going somewhere!  And, everything in our lives is going battery/electric.
Maybe small nuclear reactors on our tools that last 10 years, then deplete  :)  No battery needed.
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As most electricity still comes from coal, battery cars and tools area merely coal powered v gas.
BUT, they are quiet and require no maintenance so I prefer them.
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You should park it in the garage, polish it up and show it to friends once in a while...it will be a classic mower soon. Use the EGO and have a back-up on hand. 
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I do appreciate old stuff.  Ever watch James May, The Re-assembler?  He did an old reel type gas mower.  Quite genius for its day, but man it was heavy.
These EGO tools are like from outer space (modern) in comparison.
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Regarding coal power, remember about efficiency of scale.  The average lawn mower produces many of the worst pollutants in quantities per hour equal to 26 idling modern cars from a study I was reading.    From the displacement you'd think that's impossible, but you have to remember the bigger car engines have exhaust gas recirculation, huge catalytic converters, advanced processors, fuel injection, etc.     The same logic applies to coal plants, and "clean coal" where the coal liquefied first and goes through scrubbers produces little pollution aside from naturally releasing the captured CO2 back into the atmosphere... and while you'd think that would be unavoidable, we have plants in Texas now using "carbon sequestration" where the CO2 is pumped back underground and trapped under many clay layers.   And even if it weren't so much more efficient, which it is, at least you can put a powerplant outside city limits and usually downwind, whereas your mower is polluting right in your yard where it will have the biggest impact on local air quality. As solar and wind become ever cheaper every year, their percentage of the grid is also increasing, so long story short is that electric is certainly much healthier than gas mowers.  
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Wow. Great write-up Jessica.
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Nice Jessica.   Love the fact that you use facts verses some sort of political ideology. 
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Small engines are typically the largest offenders. Anyone here been to India? Spend a day in Delhi and you’re blowing black crud out of your nose before going to bed. Tons and tons of small engine powered vehicles running around there, though they’re not the only offenders.

It amazes me that motorcycles are allowed on our streets without any serious pollution controls. At the very least two-stroke engines are all but forgotten... I bet my parent’s old Weed Eater polluted as much or more than most gas mowers!!!
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Jessica - are you able to provide a link to that study?  I know several people I'd like to show it to!
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not the same one but here is similar info
https://www.peoplepoweredmachines.com/faq-environment.htm

According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), a new gas powered lawn mower produces volatile organic compounds and nitrogen oxides emissions air pollution in in in one hour of operation as 11 new cars each being driven for one hour.


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It's rediculous that it is allowed. We need more regulations on small engines
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damm ! jut got a classic ego a couple weeks back
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Has anyone actually compared this unit to the original 21" Single battery self-propelled?

I wonder if it might actually have more torque even though it's not advertised to do so...
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Watch this video and it will probably change a lot of peoples's conception of this new lawn more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd85zB-59Wo
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As they start with "this is egos first brushless mower" I start with questioning their knowledge. 

Why is it not advertised by Ego as delivering more power/torque

New SP system is good to see with the number of SP issues lately.
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I just ordered the new lawn mower.  I have the earlier self-propelled lawn mower.  I went to the high lift blade and wanted more torque and running time.  Since I have two 7.5 ah batteries for my snow blower, I'll will use them on the new mower.  I called Ego and the customer service rep advised me that it will deliver more torque with the two batteries.  Since I mulch my lawn and use the high lift blade, I wanted more torque.  I have most of their products and I am very happy with their performance.
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Why is it not advertised as brushless ?    Is it brushless ?
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I has the same technology as their snow blower.  I am receiving my new mower on Friday.  I live in upstate New York and have Kentucky blue grass sod for my lawn.  I also have a sprinkler system.  I am very anal regarding how nice our lawn looks.  I'll let you know when I cut my grass next week on how it compares with my current lawn mower.  I have various grade levels in front and back of our home.  Believe me, I'll will tell you the truth if it is better or the same.  
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Looking forward to your review, William!
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I received the Ego dual battery lawn mower today from Home Depot.  They delivered the lawn mower with the box completely opened and upside down.  All the parts inside were in disarray.  It looked like the lawn mower was returned to Home Depot and they sent it out to me.  The wheels even had small grass clipping on them.  I called Home Depot and they apologized for the damaged box and the lawn mower that was a returned item and sent to me.  The immediately ordered another lawn mower and discounted it $100 for my bad experience.  The are going to pickup the original lawn mower in 3 to 5 days.  Because of what just occurred, I won't be able to let you know how the lawn mower performs until a couple of weeks from now. 
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That is SOO Home Depot.  :(
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not from my experience
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Wow... you just have to wonder what some people are thinking. At least they’re making it right.
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The motor on the new dual battery mower is brushless and does provide more power in addition to more run time.  Per Ego engineering department

It has the most powerful brushless motor in the entire EGO mower line (1200W BL motor is much, much more powerful than the 1000W Brushed motor on the LM2100SP). With peak power tech (drain more current from the battery), these two combines generate much more torque than any EGO mower in the market and it actually is the most powerful cordless mower in the market now.

I think the marketing department needs to talk to the engineers !
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Lol! Why wasn’t this info provided with the product release, as well as on the product pages?????

The left hand says, “What right hand?”
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Exactly my point.  That is why I originally asked this question when it first came out and the only real difference was stated was the run time.  
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I just spoke with CS and they say it's NOT brushless. Re: the above, do you have the model number referenced on the new mower?
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David, the agent with whom you spoke was mistaken. This mower is brushless. 
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This is too funny, I got an email back from their Product Manager stating the 2022SP is a 2000W motor, 2,800 RPM (no load).   Who really knows.....
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The LM2022SP is a 20" Steel Deck mower- not the 21" Dual Port Mower in reference here. 
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Yes I understand, but the above statement is  "It has the most powerful brushless motor in the entire EGO mower line (1200W BL motor " and the email response I received is that the 20" Steel Deck mower has a 2000W motor.  I am just trying to understand the product line as there is a lot of different information on these boards and coming from emails.
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Yes, so are those specs correct? How about the confirmed specs of the 21" dual port? Do you have anything concrete on that one? Thanks!
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So this sucker is brushless and has 20% more power than the single-battery unit?
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It certainly looks that way!
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certainly a much better explanation of the price
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Maybe they don't want to "undermine" the current unit that is out, or, at least, until they sell out of them....
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I just spoke with CS and they say it's NOT brushless.
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Wow, the amount of conflicting information being shared by the Ego team is certainly not instilling any confidence. If this is more powerful, I will be quite upset, as I bought my first Ego mower about 1.5 months ago, right when this was first announced. At the time, it just seemed like an expensive 2nd battery with no real benefits, as confirmed by the Ego reps on these forums. Now we're learning it may be a better mower in other respects?!
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See below video.  I sent it out earlier and they mention that the new mower is brushless.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd85zB-59Wo
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Amber, Jennifer. Can we get an official word on this?
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The guys in the video don't work for EGO. I called EGO CS twice and was told both times it was a brushed motor for the mower blade, and brushless for the self propelled function.

If the mower was brushless, you'd think they would have it all over the spec sheets and marketing pages but they do not. Their CS on the second call went to their manager and was told brushed motor. Unless we get an EGO engineer on here to drop a real specification sheet or they update the product page I think it's more likely to be brushed than brushless.
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To be honest, I don't care if it's brushless or not. However, if it does pump out 20% more power (at the standard idle speed), I am very interested in the mower!
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I don't think that's confirmed. The same blurb saying it's the most powerful at 1200W also says it's brushless, which EGOS own CS and management are disputing as not true. None of the specifications indicate otherwise. Also, you should be interested in brushless vs. not, brushless motors are more efficient thus have either higher output for the same amount of input power or run longer.
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Do we a confirmation where the "blurp" is from? In writing?

I don't care about the efficiency as much as I am the quality/power/dependability of the motor. You may, however.
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Totally get it. What I was trying to say was a brushless motor:

1) Is more reliable, there are no brushes to wear out (yes, they are spring loaded and huge, so not really a major concern on the size motor we are talking about, but it's still a failure point)
2) Will have more output power for a given input amount
3) For the same level of power, will require less input

2 and 3 are related to the efficiency of input vs. output, and brushless motors are absolutely better in this regard. There really is not downside, aside from slightly higher cost. I'm honestly surprised brushed motors are still sold for these kinds of purposes, even most hand tools have moved over to brushless motors for the same reasons.
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OFFICIAL WORD: This is a brushless mower. 
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From a post above


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and...

The motor on the new dual battery mower is brushless and does provide more power in addition to more run time.  Per Ego engineering department

It has the most powerful brushless motor in the entire EGO mower line (1200W BL motor is much, much more powerful than the 1000W Brushed motor on the LM2100SP). With peak power tech (drain more current from the battery), these two combines generate much more torque than any EGO mower in the market and it actually is the most powerful cordless mower in the market now.
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@ Colt Templin
if you purchased your mower a month and a half ago you can return it to HD for a full refund and get the new dual battery brushless motor mower.
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Does anybody know why this as well as many other EGO tools don't appear available at any Home Depot? It's ship to home or store only in a 60 mile radius around me, and has been for a while.
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Lack of shelf space commitment from Home Depot. The products are available, but are usually shipped direct from Chervon in California.
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rcpw.com or the store finder may provide alternatives to HD

https://egopowerplus.com/apps/store-locator


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Wow...that some new news. I wonder why it is never mentioned in any of the marketing? Really bizarre and funky.

I would have bought the new model earlier this year if I had of known this. I bought the 20" Brushless SP which we are not happy with for 2 reasons...SP is too slow, slower than old 7.5ah 21" SP & the SP locks up with a delay before being able to pull back, which the old 7.5ah 21" SP doesn't do. Not sure why they made these two changes from one version to the next.

Can anyone tell me how the dual battery versions SP function performs? 
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Agree it is bizarre that brushless and more power are not in bold type in the product description.
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I guess it would have been very difficult to sell out the 20" & 21" SP 7.5 aH inventory and keep inventory for the new one.
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Home Depot is supposed to deliver it to our home on Friday.  If it is not raining I will cut our lawn and let everyone know how it compares to our single battery self-propelled lawn mower.  I'll be using two 7.5 ah batteries.
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Looking forward to your feedback.
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More confusing information provided on the HD website. 

Correct information



Incorrect information

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What the heck. Good find.
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Eh.


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Clear as mud...apparently within EGO as well.
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So who is gonna be the hero that takes this puppy apart to "confirm" if it's brushless or not and run a test of some sort to give actual power output with a small/medium/heavy load compared to the Gen 1 21" SP???????????????
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I'll go with the statement form the Ego engineering department. Thanks.
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There's no real world numbers regarding normal mode torque/rpm's or turbo unfortunately.
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I received my new dual battery self-propelled lawn mower today.  I have around a quarter acre of land with some hills.  I have thick Kentucky bluegrass sod that I cut at 31/2 inches (#5 setting on lawn mower).  I have a sprinkler system with nine valves and 38 sprinkler heads.  My lawn is always very green and nice and thick with deep roots.  I haven't cut the lawn for about nine days because of rain.  I cut the lawn today using two 7.5 ah batteries.  I always mulch the lawn and I used the new uplift blade which is a little heavier than the stock blade and it takes a little more power.  The lawn mower worked great.  It seems to have more power than my single battery self-propelled lawn mower.  The batteries never ran hot or did the engine.  When I used the single battery lawn mower in the past the orange light would come on a few times while I was mowing.  Also, on my old lawn mower, I had to change batteries a little more than half way through cutting.  I have two rapid chargers and the batteries fully charged in a half hour.  Both batteries charged in the same time period showing that they are both being used at the same time.  It seems like I still had a lot of battery power left.  The lawn mower seemed to have a lot more torque than my other mower.  I am really pleased with this lawn mower.  Ego really did their home work.
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Thanks a lot for the review! On your Gen1, I assume it kicked into "supersonic" mode delivering much more power quite often to cut your thick grass. Did the new mower do that? Does it seem like regular idle speed is the same with the Gen2 as the Gen1?

I wish there were actual numbers regarding power posted by Ego or someone somewhere!
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That is alot of battery for a 1/4 acre.
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In areas where the grass was taller or thicker, you can hear the motor speeding up.
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> That is alot of battery for a 1/4 acre.

1/4 acre is = 10,890 sq ft. On my lawn, I can do between 5000-8000 sq ft with a single 7.5 Ah battery on my 21" SP mower using a high lift blade.

So I think only one 7.5 Ah battery wouldn't be enough. Two 5 Ah would probably do it, but since he has 7.5 Ah batteries....may as well use them and not discharge them as much.
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Sorry. That was jealousy talking
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When I said a 1/4 acre, I made a mistake.  Our house is on a 1/4 acre lot, but the lawn is around 8,200 sq. ft..  Since I use the 7.5 ah batteries on my snow blower, I thought I would use them on our new lawn mower.  I can use the two 5ah batteries for our other tools.  I always feel that more is better in this case.  Probably, the 5ah batteries would cover most lawns without any problems.  I am 72 years old and have used a lot of lawn mowers (gasoline).  This lawn mower is expensive, but if you can afford it, you won't be disappointed.
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Or you can donate the 7.5s to me

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