LM2102SP or LM2142SP

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I am looking at both the LM2102SP and LM2142SP models.  The LM2102SP  comes with a 7.5Ah battery and the LM2142SP comes with two 5.0Ah batteries.   I have a small yard, and so the extra mowing time afforded by the dual battery model is not something I really need.  And so my question is about the relative mowing power of the two models.  All else being equal, one 7.5Ah battery should deliver more power than one 5.0Ah battery, right?  Does the dual battery LM2142SP (which is brushless) simply allow you to mow longer than the single battery LM2102SP (brushed)?  Or is the dual battery model able to use both 5.0Ah batteries at the same time to deliver more power than a single 7.5Ah battery?  I'm worried that if the extra battery is just to increase mowing time, not mowing power, that the LM2142SP will be less powerful than the LM2102SP.  But the dual is brushless whereas the other one is not, and I don't know how much difference that makes.  As the dual model is quite a lot more expensive, I'd like to know whether or not it is at least as powerful as the single battery model before deciding to buy it.
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The Ego PeakPower technology combines the power of 2 EGO batteries for longer run time AND efficient power draw

The motor on the new dual battery mower is brushless and does provide more power in addition to more run time.  Per Ego engineering department

It has the most powerful brushless motor in the entire EGO mower line (1200W BL motor is much, much more powerful than the 1000W Brushed motor on the LM2100SP). With peak power tech (drain more current from the battery), these two combines generate much more torque than any EGO mower in the market and it actually is the most powerful cordless mower in the market now.
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I have talked about this numerous times in the forum.  I have a dual battery and also a single battery.  There is no comparison.  The dual battery has more useful power and a lot more torque.  It never over heats and the batteries never over heat.  I have a lots of grades and now I can go faster and not worrying about the orange light turning on.  I also cut thick 31/2" Kentucky blue grass.  I use two 7.5 ah batteries.  You can use a 7.5 ah with a 5.0 ah if you want.
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I have the original LM2102SP and have never needed more power than it has.  (I did upgrade to the high lift blade for $20 to get more "updraft")

Yes, sometimes if I'm cutting grass that I let grow for two weeks I may have to adjust the speed control down from full speed, but under all "normal" weekly mowing conditions it has plenty of power to cut at full speed. (And full speed is a very fast walk...)

I have had the self propel unit fail on it (replaced under warranty), so perhaps the LM2142SP model has a more robust self propel unit, and it does have more batteries and a stronger "brushless" blade motor, but given the cost, and the fact you have a small lawn, I'd recommend saving the money and getting the LM2102SP.
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Does anyone besides myself on this forum have an Ego dual battery lawn mower (LM2142SP)? 
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I am planning on getting one if I can find a deal.
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I just bought one, in part due to your previous comment above here Bill! Have zero complaints so far after two mowings. The self-propel feature doesn't have the lock-up issue I've seen on the single battery versions...at least not yet.
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Thank you for the helpful responses.  Aside from the issue of power, I much prefer a brushless motor vs a brushed one.  It's clear to me now that I want the dual battery model.  Now I just have to decide whether the extra cost is worth it to me personally.  
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If you can afford it, it would be worth it in the long run.  It doesn't have to work as hard as the single battery lawn mower.  It should last a lot longer due to the power and brushless motor.  Whatever you decide, good luck.
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Both of these lawn mowers run great - over 60 minutes with model  LM2102SP. and over 90 minutes with the model LM2142SP    - what really matters is how the owner take cares his equipment.  For example EGO explains in the manual when you get through cutting the lawn - you should clean out the bottom of the lawn mower - removing all the wasted grass and then you can use your EGO blower - blow off any wasted grass on the your mower.  It's like anything in life -  you take good care of your lawn mower - your lawn mower will take good care of your yard (common sense).

So if your a person who don't like cleaning up after you get through cutting lawn then get the model LM2142SP  but if your a person who likes taking care your lawn mower after cutting the yard then the model  LM2102SP will do fine for you.
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The only time I've gotten 60 minutes of runtime was when I was only chopping a 1/4" off the top of slow growing grass in January. I think that 25-30 minutes of runtime on a 7.5AH battery is more realistic for "real" mowing (e.g. once a week of fast growing grass in Florida).
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Robert I was with you on the taking care of your equipment. But you lost me when you said one mower needs to be cleaned and the other does not. That makes no sense or I missed your point.
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I get 45 - 60 minutes runtime from my 7.5 in my lm2102sp
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I am considering the same items due to my need, except other than the dual battery I have purchased the steel deck which apparently has the same motor as the dual battery model (the newer brushless design).  I wish there were more specs.  If you take what the official response:

"The Ego PeakPower technology combines the power of 2 EGO batteries for longer run time AND efficient power draw. The motor on the new dual battery mower is brushless and does provide more power in addition to more run time.  Per Ego engineering department"
 
It states AND efficient power draw which states it is more efficient, not necessarily more powerful.  the second part is just stating that the new brushless motor is more powerful, which I understand is true over the prior motor rating of the non brushless motor and not necessarily running "more powerful" due to the dual batteries.  

If it doubled the current then run times would not be longer per se.  Details and specs on this issue would surely help in making a decision based on facts.    
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I think no matter what I say, your trying to convince yourself that the single battery motor has the same torque and power.  Believe me it doesn't,  I have both and can compare the two.  It is a big difference.  I sent you the youtube video on this lawn mower.  If you don't believe me or the youtube video there is probably nothing anybody can tell you to convince you.  I guess what I am telling you are not facts!!!!.  It looks like I am the only owner on this site that has this two battery lawn mower.  That's too bad.  At least Ego can get rid of their stock of single battery lawn mowers.  On Sunday I mowed our lawn (860sq. feet).  I have thick Kentucky blue grass and cut it at 31/2 inches.  Our lawn has may different grades.  I now can run our lawn mower at a higher speed and it never over heats. I finished in less that an hour and charged the batteries on two different rapid chargers.  Both batteries charged in 15 minutes which shows me that they are both being used at the same time (more efficient draw of current). I use two 7.5ah batteries which is probably an overkill.  Do you really think that Ego is going to tell you that the dual battery lawn mower is a lot better that the one you bought.  I don't think so.  I have a 2018 M550 BMW which is a v8 with twin turbo chargers.  The BMW 540i has a single turbo.  Due you think they have the same power and torque. 
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It also looks like you're the only one that has both to compare.   Would you say that the new dual battery mulches better  and leaves less clumped grass?  Also less uncut grass here and there?   
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The steel deck self propelled is a brushless motor 1000w the dual battery has the brushless 1200w motor. The dual battery motor is the strongest motor in line up. (I have a single battery mower)
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I am by no means calling you a liar or discounting what you are saying, in fact, I am thankful that someone has some information on the topic. All I am looking for as a consumer would be info available like the example you mention. If I’m buying a BMW, BMW does post HP and torque numbers so the buyer can make a decision in both feel and fact when making a purchase, that’s all.

One is not necessarily better than the other, it’s more important that it fits your need. I personally would like to know if there is a substantial “power” difference per specs between the same motors but dual vs single battery and then I the consumer, can make a decision.

Sorry if it affended you, that was not my intent. I think EGO has the best product out there from what I have read but I’m just trying to understand what I am buying and what fits my need the best.
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Ken have you watched this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd85zB-59Wo



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New Dual Battery Mower - This NEW Dual Battery EGO 21" Self-Propelled mower provides longer run time not only because it has multiple batteries!  This the EGO's first BRUSHLESS lawn mower.  You will not see the word brushless on this lawnmower but rest assured it is.   This lawn mower operated very similar to the dual battery snow blower with what EGO calls PeakPower technology.  Basically, the PeakPower technology can determine what battery or batteries (It can run off a single battery) you have in the lawn mower and the software determines the most efficient power draw.  This allows users to use multiple batteries for long runtimes and more torque or the ability to run one battery while the other charges.  While this new model looks and feels almost exactly like the single battery 21" lawn mower, the difference lies in the motor and the torque it can provide.  With two 5.0Ah batteries, one can see upwards of 40% more torque from this unit.  that allows you to run some of the upgrades we list below with little effect on runtime!

This is an expensive unit, due mostly to the cost of the two batteries if you buy the kit.  But if you are wanting a nice, powerful and quiet lawn mower to tackle larger lawns, look no further, this is it.

What is PeakPower Technology?
This new mower is the second tool from EGO that will run on a single battery or also capable of running off two batteries.  EGO calls this technology PeakPower and it is software that is capable of detecting the size of the batteries in the tool.  Obviously, the larger the battery, or batteries, the better it will perform.  The software will look at the number of cells (battery pack size) that is can pull power from and adjust the amps drawn from the battery, or batteries for optimal performance.  This gives the user options if a battery was forgotten to be charged or if one were to possibly go bad.  We found that there is little difference between running the unit with a 7.5Ah single battery or two 5.0Ah batteries, but all of our testing was done with the two 5.0Ah batteries that came in the kit.

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Other than the statement that this is Ego's first brushless mower, everything else is accurate.  Previously the steel deck mowers had brushless motors. 

This is Egos first composite deck mower with a brushless motor would be the accurate statement about this mower and its motor.
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I just copied a pasted the narrative under the video.
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Understood William.  I knew that was not your commentary.
I posted the same correction in the video comments on the you tube page.
As everyone is looking for accurate info on this new mower I thought it might be helpful and avoid confusion.
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I know this is an older thread but for someone else looking for info I thought I would add to it. I originally ordered the steel deck mower and that was because I thought that the brushless motor on the steel deck and dual battery were the same. Obviously that is not the case. Also, it looks like the dual has an improved propulsion drive. Given the extra 200 watts, improved propulsion drive and the extra 2.5 ah of runtime for the same price, I decided to order the dual and return the steel deck. The steel deck is sitting unopened in my Jeep and I am returning it tomorrow and picking up the dual at Home Depot. I will review it and put it on my YouTube page and post the link when complete. If anyone has a specific request about it let me know.
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Slaw, I went through the same process you have, purchasing the steel deck and returning it for the dual battery version. I have 10,000 ft.2 of Midwest lawn consisting of fescue, blue grass and a section of zoysia. It easily cuts my size of lawn on a single charge. I have a couple of videos on the two mowers but haven’t found a way to share them here on the site.

I too found that I upset all of the EGO fans on this site when I criticized EGOs lack of disclosure in specs between their models at the time as I was trying to make a decision between electric mowers and mowers within the ego line.

Overall, I really like the mower, but it is not as powerful as a gas mower. The bonus is that my wife and kids can easily use the unit and they all comment that they love how light it is vs the gas mower. The other pluses include storage in a small footprint, no gas, ease of use, plastic deck underneath stays very clean, etc.

I have had to cut my grass in the spring a couple of times in a row when I have let it grow too tall due to constant rain which prohibited a weekly cut. I usually cut in pre growth spring at a level 2 prior to putting down fertilizer and then level3 for spring and sometimes level4 when it gets really hot out as I do not have an irrigation system. I have had a time where I had to cut it at a 4 and then a 3 since the mower would overheat and shut off with a red light. This has only happened once or twice due to weather and fertilizing periods of the year. The majority of the year, a weekly cut and it does just fine. In all honesty, the gas mower would if cut in these times, BUT it also would of left a lot of clumps if grass due to the amount being cut off.

I do hand sharpen the blade every third cut or so as I feel the light weight blade does not hold an edge like a heavy gas mower blade. Not a big deal as it is really easy to take off and sharpen by hand, but it is not indestructible like a gas mower blade.

Overall I like the mower.
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The steel deck looks sharp. We have basically the same lawn. The other thing I forgot to mention was the purported improved propulsion drive. The steel deck had the old one.

I bought the high lift blade as well. I believe it’s heavier so maybe if I sharpen the crap out of it, the combo of the bigger motor and blade will carry through the tall grass that you were getting caught up on. Like I said, I have very tall grass right now so we will find out!
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Thanks for the info Ken

Slaw the high speed change for thicker grass is a one step - noticeable sound difference - back to normal speed when no longer needed system.  At least on the single battery mowers.

The peak power technology was explained by an Ego engineer (not marketing department) as able to drain more current from the batteries and thus provide power/torque.

The high lift blade is intended for bagging, although some have said they got better mulching results.  But, mulching is not what it was designed for.
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Thanks for the clarification on the response to the change in load. The peak power explanation still doesn’t make sense to me unless you are saying that the current in the single battery mowers is restrained. If that is the case what they are saying is that the current draw from a single battery is not enough to meet the higher torque demands.

Usually a battery has to have a current rating higher than that of the motor otherwise it can explode. It would be interesting to deconstruct both brushless motors to see if there is a spec plate on them that says what the wattage is. I wonder if both motors are rated for 1200 watts but they can only claim 1000 on the metal deck due to the current limitations. (Oregon Mike, we know that could void the warranty, haha)
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my dad and i have both had the regular self propelled model and the dual battery model. Both were returned. The cut quality is not there. We mow Bermuda about 2.5 inchs tall. We are now going to try the steel deck and see what it does. Also the motor on the dual battery consistently going up and down in rpm. Grass was mowed twice a week so i know it was not a issue of grass being to tall.
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Bill,

I should’ve read your review prior to buying the snowblower. My main point with the other comment is simply that fighting against redundancy in a tool forum is a losing battle.
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IMOW, did you installed the high lift blade?
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Yes i did. Also custom made some for the 20 inch older model to try it. 
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When I tried the 2142, I had to walk slow to get a good cut. The height had to be set on 3 (in the middle) as well. Any setting higher than 3 sucks for some reason.

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Did you see much difference between the two plastic decks to matter. Aside from them both not cutting to your liking.
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Alright so I completed a quick mow after work and my general impressions were mostly positive. I will put together a full review in the next few days. However, towards the end the mower did overheat. It was only one battery and I was able to remove it and finish the job with one battery. The off-putting thing is that when I tested the charge on both batteries the battery that overheated was completely depleted while the other one was completely full. So full my charger refused to charge it.

My first thought was that I didn’t properly fasten the full battery into the mower and so it wasn’t being used. That seems very unlikely as it’s pretty obvious if the battery is not installed correctly. Anyone else with this model experience this? Ken?
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So I think I can eliminate user error. The overheated/depleted battery was in the front and you can’t close the cover if it’s not fully seated. Plus both batteries were illuminated in the mower indicating they were both fully seated. I was hoping it was my fault.
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I have never had that happen. When mine shut off, I just stopped for a little bit, raised the deck to lighten the load, and then continued to cut. I have never checked the batteries half way through the now to see if they are balanced regarding their charge level
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Ok. I’m calling ego to see if this is a known issue. I will also try to replicate it. In the meantime if you are so inclined maybe the next time you mow, after you are halfway done, put each battery on the charger to see the remaining charge. My assumption is that they drain simultaneously. But maybe they drain one at a time, which would surely call into question the whole peak power thing. Maybe mine is defective or maybe it’s an isolated electronics fantom that will never reappear....
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Running it out again today to get the grass low for aerating tomorrow. I will report what happens. Left a message for ego today and they called me back. I told them the issue and the person hung up on me. It sounded like a bad line so that was probably it. Probably. Haha.
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I have left messages before with CS and they have called me back, so try again.  This is the busiest time of the year, so call early in the day if possible ... :-)
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Maybe the hang up was not an accident....

https://community.egopowerplus.com/eg...
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Alright, so I received another call from CS and this time the call clarity was much better.  The CS agent said she's never heard of my issue and wanted to escalate it so she wrote it up and said I should hear back no later than Tuesday.  I will let you know what happens.
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Same system on the mower and snow blower. Both batteries should drain Fairly equally
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled LM2142SP Mower vs LM2102SP Mower.

Is there a big different in performance between the LM2142SP (2 batteries) and the LM2102SP (1 battery) mower? The reason why I ask is because I had to special order the LM2142SP (it's defective out the box with a constant orange flashing light) and it took about 2 weeks for me to receive it. HD has the LM2102SP in stock. Any feedback would be appreciated.  
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Never mind. I just returned the LM2142SP and HD ordered me a new one with 10% off. I will test the quality cuts against my Honda when the new LM2142SP one arrives.
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Ok so I used the 2142 yesterday for about 15-20 minutes. I will try to use it again tomorrow or Tuesday and get a better feel for it. I have been using the 2102 for the last couple seasons...

Here are some initial thoughts:

-First thing I did was swap the blade that came with it to the High Lift. The blade that came with it was SUPER sharp though, I was impressed by that.

-The mower constantly revs up/down/up/down/up/down. Must be a battery conservation thing????

-The self-propelled is different. It's improved.

-The cut, unfortunately, seemed to be exactly identical to the 2102 thus far. The infamous "trail" of grass was there just like before. See pics below. I mulched and didn't take much off.

https://i.imgur.com/WWduhUw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/lvrLw1H.jpg

-I used (2) 7.5 batteries that I already owned for the 15-20 minutes. I put both on the charger after I was done and the charger indicated that both were full. All lights lit up green and it wouldn't turn on. This makes me think that it was pulling from both batteries but I can't confirm that with 100% certainty yet...
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The cut to me is not like the Toros and Hondas. Try the 3 notch and walk slow. I think the Ego is too light and it needs a double blade. That just me.
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Al,
I have the same lawn mower (two 7.5ah batteries) and mulch my grass (Kentucky blue grass sod) at 31/2 inches and it looks great.  The higher you cut it, the longer the roots.  The stock blade mulches better than the high lift blade.  I bought this lawn mower when it was first available.  Looking at your posts you'll probably be happier with your Toros and Hondas.  I would return it.
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I return it because the mower keeps cutting-off and it wouldn't restart until after 5 minutes; it was defected. Therefore, I want to give it a fair comparison with my Honda as soon as I receive the new one.

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Al,

When you receive you new one. try mulching the grass at 31/2 inches and use the standard blade.  Believe me, the high lift blade only worked better when bagging.  Try cutting the grass, if you can, when it's dry..Good luck and I hope you have better luck with your new lawn mower when you receive it. 
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I used the 2142 again today for a long time. It has TONS of power. Definitely more than the 2102. It cuts better than the 2102 too.

After mowing for roughly an hour, I checked the batteries in the mower. Both were showing 2 bars. So mine is definitely pulling juice from both of the batteries, not one at a time.

I think the self-propelled, at the fastest setting, is slower on the 2142 compared to the 2102. Still plenty fast though...
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Yours came with the new 4 bar fuel gauge batteries?
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Alright, this is a hybrid warranty topic but I think it applies to this mower. So Ego never called me like they said they were going to do I called them earlier and spoke I a rep. The previous rep said she would have a manager review the issue and get back to me. That didn’t happen. The girl on the phone was very nice but she didn’t understand the issue. In the end she suggested I return the mower so that’s what I’m going to do. It’s annoying because the previous rep sent me an email to reply to with pics and video that she could forward to management and that ball was dropped. Due to the current mower repair situation I am not willing to risk having some bad cap, resistor trace or other issue wreaking havoc on the mower. I called Home Depot to order another one and they gave me a discount for my trouble so HD was great as usual. I promise I will review this thing at some point. Well if I get a trouble free mow...
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Well... the turn around with HD is about 2 weeks with online orders for the Ego LM2142SP. I returned my mower on May 5 and HD re-order it the same day. It's May 8th and the order is still pending with no ship date at this time. The first order took about 2 weeks as well.
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I had one that looked used on arrival so I immediately called HD to return it. Even had grass blades in the box . Then reordered and got a “newer” one. The date was made in feb 2019 which is cool. Same as the batteries and the charger. None of that matters to me as long as it works well. One thing that really frustrates me was a scratch and chunk of the plastic notched from poor shipping. The bagger was dug into the side of the mower. Unacceptable for 750 dollars. I understand it’s plastic but I want to be the one scratching it. Honestly I am thinking about keeping my original 7.5 ah self propelled and returning this double battery model. The brushless would be nice but I am thinking maybe I get a little side Honda for the overgrown weeks here in Oklahoma. I still am gas free with edger, trimmer, and blower.
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I had a used 2142 as well and I blame Home Depot for it. I think if something is massed produced, of course there will be some defects, but I think it's wrong for HD to recirculate defected products intentionally. I now see why these forums have much complaints. We should not have received a used mower that was defected from other people. This makes any manufacture look bad. HD should take the product from circulation. Oh well...

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That is so crazy. It was very obvious and the charger was dirty as well. Yeah must be a HD thing but I thought they shipped these from the vendor but I could be wrong.
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Well if a customer returns the mower in the box and reseals it and tells HD that they just changed their mind and never used it - I could see how it gets put back on the shelf.

You would expect with an expensive item with expensive batteries the box would be opened and checked, but I could see how it gets put back on the shelf.

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Mine looks worse than that after 1 mow...
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We must have very different mowing styles haha
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Pondering getting a EGO LM2142 but mulching is pretty important for me. Live in NC and its all fescue over here.
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I live in NC and have fescue cuts fine as long as you sharpen the blade
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Alright so as I stated previously the first 2142 I received only drew current from one battery and after speaking to ego they said to return it. I received the second one a few days ago and the box looked like it fell off the back of a UPS truck on the autobon (see pic). I didn’t notice any damage at first but when I was looking in the box I noticed a chunk of plastic and when I found where the piece belonged I noticed another crack in the plastic. I was just going to return it and wait for the next generation to come out in a year or two but I may call ego tomorrow and see if they will just ship me a replacement that’s not from the land of misfit toys....
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Troy Hough

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I would buy it. Impressive power & performance!