LM2101 buyer's remorse. Should I get something different?

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I just bought the 21" push mower and am having second thoughts. The mower is leaving strips of uncut grass and also dumps clippings on sidewalk instead of being sucked into the bag (this is on the #3 height setting)... and yes, I made sure to pull out the mulching plug. Which leads me to my other question: does this thing mulch well? It seemed to leave clumps as well as uncut blades. I called customer service and they told me that the blade that comes on the mower is not a mulching blade. She mentioned something about the high lift blade that would help pull the grass up, but when I researched the high lift blade, it says this in the description: "Not recommended for use with the mulching plug." I am also concerned with the number of reviews that state the blade needs to be sharpened often. Customer service suggested exchanging the mower since there may be an issue with mine, but I'm also considering moving on and getting the Echo 58v mower. It seems to get good mulching reviews and comes with a brushless motor instead of the brushed on the ego. Has anyone else had similar issues with their mower? Your feedback is appreciated. Thanks! 
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Re stripes of uncut grass - need to overlap so that you cut the tire path from your previous pass.

The blade with the mower is considered a 3 in 1 blade / multipurpose and intended for use with the mulching plug as well as bagging or the chute.  The high lift blade is intended to improve lift for bagging.  Some have found it also improves mulching, although this is not its design purpose.

Mulching results vary by user, lawn type and expectations.  In general I would say the mulching is rated as ok with some finding it great and others bad.  So, using it on your own lawn is the best way to decide withing the HD 90 return period.

I have the 21 SP mower and like it.  It mulches pretty well.  It does leave a line of clippings at times.  Overlapping takes care of some of it.  A foot rake as I make my next path takes care of the rest.
This happens in thicker/longer areas of grass.  Other areas the mower leaves no clippings behind.

I have a HL blade on order to see how it works for me.  Overall I am satisfied with the pluses(no gas, mess, fumes, tune ups, very quite, easy, convenient, all with a good quality cut)  and few minuses (some clipping left behind, not great lift) the mower delivers for me.

 
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Thanks for your input and tips!
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Give us a follow up after your next mowing
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The ego is a brushless motor as well btw
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It's my understanding that only the newest steel deck model comes with a brushless motor, but it's twice the price.
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Having seen the quality of the brushed motor...it will NOT be an issue for you. The brushes are enormous, they epoxied the windings and balanced it. It's going to offer top performance for years. I do have the brushless mower. But it's not something that provides me any serious benefit. I'm just a BL fan with hobbies etc so I couldn't resist. But it would be hard to make the argument for it for even fairly extensive home use. 
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That's good to know about the brushes being big.
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Correct, only the steel deck mowers are brushless.
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I mulch with the high lift blade (mulching plug installed) and am plenty happy with it.  I mow at setting 2.

That said, I have the self propelled 21" mower.  The high lift blade changed my world.

It's quite surprising that they haven't scrambled to get it to the US market.

Please read this:  https://community.egopowerplus.com/ego/topics/my-mower-sucks-and-im-happy-about-that

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Thanks for the input! Maybe I'll have to try the high lift blade myself. It's good to hear it works for mulching even though they say not to use it for that... I wonder why that is
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Everyone here also wonders why they're not easily available.....

I'm going to order and extra now from Amazon, just in case I hit a rock or something with mine.  And, IF I didn't have one, and knowing what I now know, I'd spend the double price to get one from mowermagic.co.uk

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Blooms, do you find that the high lift blade chops up the grass into shorter pieces when mulching? The stock blade seems to just cut it once, leaving long pieces on the lawn.
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If you go with another company. Stay away from echo. Theirs is a 56v system also. They say 58 but it's the same batteries and count in their packs. It's a marketing lie... look up on YouTube to verify.

Charge time has been reported as being close to 1.5hr due to heat.
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Any other input or experience with the Echo mower? Supposedly it's lighter, which may help with the strip of uncut grass issue if it's being caused by the wheels.
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I'm pretty sure Ego is king of the battery mowers.
Lots of YouTube comparison videos.
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Did Ego pay you to say that? jk
The internet seems to deem Ego king, but unfortunately the king is still lacking, ie. putting a blade on their mower that doesn't create enough lift to cut all of the grass and suck all of the clippings into the bag. I was hoping that I was just having a unique problem with the mower I bought, but it seems like I'm not the only one. It's also the heaviest out of the pack and doesn't get the best mulching reviews.

Now for the positives: great battery packs and charger, great build quality, nice features like one lever to adjust all of the wheels, one lever to fold handle... I'm sure I'm missing some, these are just what I have noticed.

But... at the end of the day, I need my mower to cut all of my grass with only one pass and not leave clumps on the lawn and shoot grass all over the sidewalk.

I'm going to give it another try and play around with the height settings, but it does seem like I would benefit with a lighter mower with a better blade design for my particular issues I'm having.
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I really wish this blade issue was resolved. I think the biggest hurdle for ego engineers is the software in the mower. It's not capable of being upgraded. They should have added that ability. Then parameters could be changed like RPM. Updates from smart phones would be easy and it's already in everything. IOT is not new. Milwalke uses it in their tools.

I have not had any experience with the echo mower. It just really bothers me that they claim 58v so that's enough for me to dislike them.

Same goes for this 20v max stuff on the market. They are 18v batteries I'm pretty sure of, or same cell count as 18v batteries have. The lithium ones that is.
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Great idea on the software updates! 

Watching a youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANVL2aFDVqw) comparing the Echo and Ego batteries, the Echo battery measured 57.6 volts after being fully charged, so Echo rounding up to 58v doesn't bother me. The thing that concerns me is the way the battery packs are so differently constructed. Ego definitely put a lot more thought into their packs. 
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And the Echo packs apparently take a long time to cool after use, so if you run out of juice part way through you're stuck waiting a long time before continuing.

I'd honestly be surprised if any other company's batteries are any different? I haven't seen anyone make claims of heat management. If they did you'd certainly see them marketing it.

I just hate the idea of hot batteries... heat kills lithium batteries so making an effort to keep them cool should be a priority.
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That is the main reason that I will buy only a select few brands.  he only ones I will buy as it stands now are any one of the brands to the 80V/82V systems, EGO, Stihl AP series, and Husqvarna battery powered stuff.  Anything that has an effective battery cooling system I would consider buying... oh, and Bosch Professional of the UK, their batteries have a metal heatsinking system.
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By the 80v/82v systems are you referring to greenworks, snapper?
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Anything above 60v is dangerous in my opinion. You start getting a higher risk of shock the higher the voltage. Ego did it right with 56. Id never own an 80v battery. No way.
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I guess you wouldn't own a hybrid car, then.   The voltage in my car's EV system is 245 volts.
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Let me clarify. Anything over 60v that gets removed for charging I will not own.
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LOL!  (to Jacob)
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That's the first I've ever heard of John Deere making a battery powered mower... I guess they do a good job filtering out things that aren't available here in the u.s.
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I have had the exact same mower (LM2101) since early June and have been mowing a thick freshly sodded 2200sq ft yard and i have never had any clumps or cut grass at the edges. I bag since this is a new lawn but I've mulched my neighbor's lawn and have never experienced the mess that you have described. I have set my blade to 4 " (highest setting) and I tend to mow slowly, so maybe that helps me?

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