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This past fall I purchased an electric smoker to slow smoke my meats and replace a wood burner I had for decades.  I do like that it maintains a consistent temperature.  But after smoking on it for several months, my opinion was "meh".  That is because I did not take into consideration that the reason people who rave about the smoker are not parallel to my reasons for buying.  In the end, I think it was a novelty, but not very pragmatic.

I liken my purchase of he electric smoker last year to my reasons for considering an electric mower.  It appears the commonality of buying the EGO products are that for eco friencly purposes, and getting away from gas in general.  Yet like the electric smoker, electric lawn equipment seems to aspire to be like gas powered equipment.  All the reasons I have read for why people purchases the EGO products do not resonate with my reasons.  I simply want a self-propelled mower that runs quiet.  That I can get from Briggs & Stratton's new quiet power technology (QPT) engine equipped on some mowers, or get a Honda mower.  

Just looking at some comments here, people have returned their EGO equipment because it does not give them the same satisfaction of the tried and true gas powered equipment.  Can someone correct me if I am seeing this from a limiting perspective?  It would seem that some of you purchased EGO products with the expectation that you would get the same results as your gas powered equipment.  It's a novel idea that has come along way, but in the end they are powered by electric.  Like my expensive electric smoker it does what is supposed to do, no more.  But it does not give the same results as my wood burning smoker.
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For me its just a matter of having a clean quiet mower that requires little maintenance. I've been cutting grass for nearly 50 years. I actually enjoy it a little bit now. I had had it with breathing exhaust fumes and always having to keep gas and oil on hand.
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In fairness, I have not heard a new "QPT" engine running...but there is no way it's quieter than the Ego.  Youtube videos don't really do it justice.  The Ego is an order of magnitude quieter than even the quietest gas mower i've ever heard.  I can literally have a conversation in a normal voice when my ego is running right next to me.  I can't do that if a neighbor is mowing 3 houses down with a gas mower.

As for reasons for ownership, My biggest reason was maintenance.  At one point, I had 3 cars, about 5 motorcycles, a riding mower, a push mower, power washer, weed eater, a large tractor, a leaf blower, and a chain saw.  The maintenance for all those was constant.  CONSTANT.  I just couldn't tolerate another carburetor to maintain.  Even if I did everything right with Stabil in the fuel tank, I could generally count on at least one lawn appliance failing to start in the spring time.  Then I had to take it apart, clean it, and 2 hours later I could mow my grass.

The Ego doesn't have that problem.  Let it sit for 5 years....who cares.  As long as the battery is maintained (which is basically automatic) you just plug it in 5 years later, push a button, and mow your grass.  It starts each and every time, no hassle, no pull starter, no question.  

If you need an analogy for how things will likely go, take a look at the RC hobby market right now. 15 years ago, EVERYTHING was Nitro powered.  They required constant tuning, messy gas, cleaning after you run them, and you had to readjust the carb each and every time you started it.  Now?  We have Lithium Polymer batteries and brushless motors.  Go an RC swap meet and just try to get rid of a nitro powered RC car.  You can't do it. Nobody wants them. The brushless electrics are better in every way, and they start every time.  In the next 10 years, I think lawn equipment will be the same way.

if you want a gas mower, buy it while you can.  I don't think they'll be around all that much longer. After you have an electric mower, you'll wonder why you ever put up with gas in the first place.  

(this whole rant comes from a guy with a Charger 392 in the driveway. I'm not exactly a big environmentalist)
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Great parallel with the RC industry!  I was around RC when 1200 mAh red Sanyos were the norm, and the 1500 mAh Yellow Sanyos were too expensive and exotic for my wallet!  I'm no longer into RC, but I have seen how awe-inspiring the performace of modern electrics are... bye-bye nitro!

As far as being green goes, I'm all for it, but that doesn't stop my enjoying my ZO6! :-)  Just like V8 muscle cars will (sadly) be a thing of the past, gas mowers won't be around forever.

Cheers!
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And I might as well chim in, I had to buy a mower for my daughter and rather than give her a cheap 100 mower, I gave her my honda Harmony and purchase an EGO for myself. I only use the mower for trimming around trees and lanscaping and use a John Deer mower to cut the big areas. I have used the EGO to cut the whole yard and it works great, batter lasts for the entire cycle and it is as quiet as a vacuum cleaner. I can cut at 6:00 am without disturbing the neighborhood . As you probably read, it does leave an occasional long blade and it does not cut as even as my deer . But if you have a smaller yard less than 1/3 acre, I think you would be thrilled with it. Its bags great, and the self propel speed will have you jogging if you want to.
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I am trying to get my head around the concept of "the satisfaction of tried and true gas powered equipment".  I suppose there is something about the sound of a gasoline (or nitro) fueled engine that will always appeal to me.  But, I like my hearing and my self-propelled Ego is a real treat in the mundane often noisy world of lawn mowing.  I too wanted a quiet mower and since moving to a larger lot size I needed a new mower anyway. 
Why not give technology a try?  Yes, batteries are expensive (we can only continue to hope they will come down in price).  However, I did find a third party with new 7.5 Ah batteries (not warranted by Ego) and took a chance.  Today, I also have the snow blower powered by two 7.5 Ah batteries.  One battery from my lawn mower along with the other I purchased separately.  Love that snow blower!

As far as the same results of gas versus electric I am not sure.  I came from a small bit of lawn in a townhouse complex that I mowed myself (the "grounds" keepers there were really bad and killed everything they got near) and I never had to plow much as that was part of the townhouse dues, too.

If you are really unsure, get written return policy information from your dealer.  If you can bring it back after you have tried it, then what is the harm in trying?

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where did you find the aftermarket battery?
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Could be rebranded somehow like he Honda ?
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Ebay? :-)
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I found a seller on eBay that picks up on open box and other items from Home Depot at a deep discount.  I know my local HD couldn't sell the display mower because someone lost the paperwork (duh?).  Anyway, that may be why I received a battery with an Aug 2016 mfg date,  About half the price of new and works perfectly.
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I typically cringe when anyone calls something "a system"...but Im sold on this one. I now have the mower, snowblower, chainsaw, leaf blower and hedge trimmer. I have zero complaints. The mower might not perform on the same level as some gas mowers, but for me the trade-offs are well worth it.
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My ego will do anything my old toro recycler would do, without question. I think it was a 6.5 hp model.  

Unless you're mowing out in the country where the grass is 1' tall or more, I don't think power will be a problem with the ego.  Parts of my lawn are thick and damp.  The ego bogs just briefly, then adds a little more power to compensate. It seems like it never runs out of power. 

The only downside is runtime and charge time.  With a gas mower you can put more gas in and mow all day long. With the ego, you have to recharge, which takes half an hour. Or, you just buy another battery.  Then you can mow all day long with the ego.

I'm struggling to find a downside here.  The ego is literally better than my previous gas mower in every way.  I wish it had the "personal pace" system like Toro does, but that's the only thing I miss about gas.  
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For me it was simply about three things

Maintenance
Gas
Noise

I don't think it is an eco solution because it takes electricity to charge the batteries and the batteries are made of toxic materials. It comes down to wanting gas like performance without the hassle. Convenience. Ego does this very very well!
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My neighbors tell me I should do commercials for ego ha ha...I think they are tired of hearing about them! Anyway...storage is another bonus. It gives me great joy that I can store these tools in any configuration...fold em up, turn them upside-down, stack em, put them in the basement whatever. No leaks, drips, odors, stains.
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I didn't change to be eco friendly. I changed because I didn't want the maintenance of gas and I wanted a mower I could fold up and store upright, because gas mowers take up too much space in my garage and I was tired of the inefficient use of it when I have so many other things I could store in there. I also wanted something I would feel more comfortable working on. I'm much more familiar with electronics than I am with small engines.

One unexpected benefit is that this thing is extremely light and that surprisingly makes a huge difference in the ease of mowing. I will never go back to a heavy mower after experiencing this one.
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Good point. I forgot to mention weight. The non self propelled mowers are wonderfully light.
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I have a self propelled and I'm still extremely happy with the light weight of it
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I changed to ego because I needed something to mow with that is quiet. Because of that, I mow at night so I get to spend more time with my little girl. What else matters in life. The rest of the stuff is icing on the cake. I have mowed 7 hours straight many times. Great exercise. (I mow over an acre with my 20" mower.)

Mowing at night is also quite peaceful.

Eco friendly was the last thing on my list.
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I might be the only one here that went from an electric mower to an electric mower (corded electric to the Ego 20").

I did it to get rid of that absolutely infuriating 100 foot long test of my patience!  It literally took me as long to deal with the cord as it took to mow my lawn... with the Ego all charged up it takes about 25 minutes and with the corded mower it was more like 55 minutes.  On a hot day I can almost get the lawn done before I have a chance to start sweating.

Since the Ego is actually good looking, light weight and FAST to use, the fact it stores vertically and allows me to keep it in my tiny single car garage is just icing one the cake.  Thick, velvety-smooth cream cheese based icing.  Not to mention, for me anyway, that a job is MUCH more satisfying to do when you're using nice tools.

My childhood memories of gas powered mowers and weed trimmers wasn't all that great.  I grew up on 1.5 acres that needed to be maintained.  I don't so much remember hating the smell, but I do remember my ears ringing after a 20 minute stint with the old 2-stroke Weedeater.  And the gas-powered mower was a real treat to lug around, pushing it in and out of the ditch by the road and the walk out basement.
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Wow thanks for all the great replies.  Let me make it clear that this thread was not created to bash electric lawn equipment in general, and especially not to bash EGO products.  I think that any company willing to create a section for those who are having problems with their products shows that they are committed to bettering the product.  My reference to the electric smoker was to acknowledge that regardless of how good a product EGO makes, electric is not going to be for everyone.  Any testimonials by those who use the products should be taken with a grain of salt since they may not meet the needs of others like myself. 

I have no doubt that each of you swear by your EGO or electric lawn equipment for reasons given.  The common theme as I pointed out in my initial statement and mentioned by SCDC is concerns for maintenance, noise and gas in some variation.  No one individual’s circumstances or needs will coincide with another.  For example, it was mentioned of the concern for breathing exhaust fumes.  I have not been behind a mower that emitted fumes to a point of affecting me since the 70’s.  Emissions on mowers and vehicles just don’t do that any longer, and if yours does then you have a pretty crappy mower or piece of lawn equipment being used. 

Gas on average is very cheap in my state (less than 2 dollars), so I may spend 16-20 dollars during the cutting season for my mower, blower and weed trimmer.  The cutting season on average lasts between late May and mid-September for Bermuda.  Depending on the rain we receive, I cut once per week and if necessary which I hope for I cut twice a week during peak season that may last 3-4 weeks.  Last year was the first in years that I actually had to cut twice a week.  The upfront cost in owning a gas mower is apparent when fueling it, where the cost of owning an electric mower is on the tail end when a battery has to be replaced. As for other maintenance, regardless of equipment being used a blade will have to be sharpened or replaced at some point.  Taking my mower into the shop is not done on an annual basis, even if I use it more. My 13 year old Troy-Bilt has not been in the shop since 2014 for any kind of repair.  Anyone with a gas mower that takes more than 1-2 pulls to start either has a horrible mower are probably needs to get it fixed.  The cheapy Troy-Bilt I have has needed to be pulled more than once on maybe 2 occasions since I’ve had it.  As for neighbors, I live on a corner lot where my house is situated to where I virtually have no neighbors.  Yet I am not going to be up before dawn, cutting in the wee hours or after dark anyhow, so there is that.

Again there are those who may find a need for electric equipment, and EGO is the best I have read about when it comes to making electric lawn equipment.  But no matter how good the equipment, it is not going to be for everyone because circumstances differ, needs differ and in the end it is electric powered.  Like my electric smoker IT DOES WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO DO.  It is NOT gas powered equipment and no matter how well it is made, claims that it performs better than gas powered equipment is relative to what gas powered equipment is being compared.  I am glad that EGO satisfies the needs of many of you.  But people need to look at their individual circumstances and needs, not those of others who swear by the products. 

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Thanks Blue Angel.  It has been suggested by others as well to make the purchase then return if I am unsatisfied.  But the only thing I hate more than shopping in general is having to return.  So buying it with the thought of returning would not be my first option. 

I would prefer to get my hands on a cordless mower to decide if electric tools would be the way to go.  That way I would have a foundation to compare the EGO equipment to, instead of making an unfair comparison to gas powered equipment which is all I can do for now. 

Unfortunately I have already made calls to Home Depot Rental and some other local rental equipment companies to see if they carry a cordless mower.  I still have a few months before cutting season starts.

I don’t expect the same performance I get from using gas powered tools, and no one should.  This type of transition requires a fair and objective comparison of apples-to-apples.  If I can find a cordless lawn mower to use and I am satisfied with the performance, I have already made up my mind that EGO is the way to go. 

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Perhaps you could ask your local HD if they will be having an Ego rep on site sometime soon? If so they may have some demo units to play with.

WRT gas power, I would comment that certain Ego tools like the 15" string trimmer are very powerful. As you pointed out, exceeding the power of gas depends which particular gas tool you're comparing to, but I would feel pretty confident that most users would find the 15" string trimmer more than adequate.

The new multi-tool with its 2000W power head should be a force to contend with as well.

If you do decide to try something out be sure to give some feedback!
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I am not overly concerned about the trimmer and I use mine for edging as well.  I have had good experience with blowers so I am not overly concerned about that as well. 

I like that idea about whether an EGO representative will be in my home town.  Thanks Blue Angel. 


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I tried using mine for edging and it was a disaster - too hard to control.  Using my Ryobi or Black and Decker for edging.

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I don't care who you are or what multi tool you have, nothing will be as close to as powerful as the new ego one will be. Come on. 2.7 hp. Plus all torque, no stall. Not even a diesel could compete. A pole saw at 2.7 hp. Lol. Going to be so powerful.
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Well...that was a lot of effort to tell us all about the decision you made before your first post. BTW- my Toro Lawnmower was not "crappy", nor are my cars, motorcycles, chains saws etc. If you've figured out howcto eliminate emmisions from internal combustable engines, you should share your secret with the world.
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The point is unless you are sucking on a tube leading to the exhaust, the fumes are going to be far less than you get driving in your vehicle.  So anyone indicating it is an issue must either have a crappy exhaust or is over exaggerating it being an issue.
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Exactly what I plan on doing. Cutting my grass with the sun. That would help if ego offered a charger that pulled as many amps as available. Isn't this possible? Seems like a simple voltage drop sensor could do this.
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I'm not sure what a voltage drop sensor is, do you mean a volt meter? But a solar panel could do it. But you're not going to get a 30 minute charge out of that unless it was the size of your driveway. A panel small enough to sit on the charger would probably take days to fully charge it, but maybe that's okay for those who only mow once a week like myself.
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A single common rooftop solar panel has enough juice to run the standard charger, at about 3x4.5 feet. It would need to be mounted separately of course.
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I want a week charge time so I can get a 200 dollar panel. Mow once per week. Got all week to charge it.
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I am just saying a charger that will take all available power up to a certain amp draw. But only draw what is available when power source is reduced.