DUAL BLADE MOWER REVIEW - START SALIVATING!

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Fantastic to see this coming out. This was rumored to be coming out by some of the blogs (mine included). I also see now that Home Depot has a new listing (none in stock currently). The one listed on Home Depot is a model number I hadn't seen before and comes WITHOUT self-propelled so that's new information and is listed in both with 5.0 battery as well as just the tool. 

https://www.homedepot.com/p/EGO-21-in-Select-Cut-56-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Electric-Walk-Behind-Push-Mower-5-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-Included-LM2133/312275722 
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After testing this mower, I can't ever see using the side discharge.  I think the 2 blades just smashes the grass up to fine little pieces. 
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Overgrown properties, plus I'd rather have any small pebbles/projectiles have a better chance of flying out the side then coming out the back/through a bag.

I'd just like it for other reasons too.
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There is also a SP version available.  With 7.5 battery and bare tool

https://www.homedepot.com/p/EGO-21-in-Select-Cut-56-Volt-Lith-ion-Cordless-Electric-Walk-Behind-Self...


And looks like it still comes with the same "side discharge" that attaches on the rear.
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I have I believe last years model can I buy the double blade system for it or do I have to buy the new model also just barely bought a 16” chainsaw then about a month after the 18 comes out is there somehow I can trade in my 16 for the 18? I don’t know maybe these are questions I should ask customer service, also I absolutely enjoy my ego products really want the generator but same with that is I think I seen someone on YouTube say they might make something solar with that so if I buy one now and the new one has solar options am I gonna have to spend an extra grand for it or what, I believe the ego products are worth every penny plus some but just curious on how many models I’m gonna have that are not being used in the next 5 years cause they are the old model.
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From EGO - 
No, the tri-cut blade will not fit on the mower since the motor shaft and assembly is built different than the G1 and G2 mowers.
Note that you don't have to buy the latest and greatest. Use what you have. Do you only want the 18" chainsaw because it's bigger? Does it offer something, other than size, that your 16" can't or doesn't do? Same with mower. 
Of course, if you purchased these things at Home Depot they offer a 90 day no questions asked return policy. 1 year if you used a Home Depot credit card. 
Yeah, word is out that the inverter will go solar compatible at some point. Maybe next year? 
Another idea is you could give your old tools to a family member or friend and then get the new goodies for yourself.
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Can the double blade be purchased separately and put on an existing EGO mower?
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yes, they can be purchased separately.(soon)

AB2100D (Mulching Dual-Blade Set):

https://egopowerplus.com/21-inch-edge-mulching-blade-set

 

AB2101D (High Lift Dual-Blade Set):

https://egopowerplus.com/21-inch-tri-cut-blade-set


No they are not designed for use with other model mowers

For use with EGO POWER+ 56-Volt Lithium-Ion Cordless Lawn Mowers LM2130SP and LM2130 models



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They may be too heavy for non-brushless mowers to spin
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I have high hopes this new model will live up to the hype. I will wait until Spring to purchase it. In the meantime, I will watch for reviews praising the LM2135SP. I hope the price (with battery and quick charger) stays at $649.00 or lower. Looking forward with great anticipation. - - ->  Next? -- a greatly improved Snow Blower!!!
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I just called Ego and they advised me that that dual blades would not work on my dual battery (two 7.5 ah batteries) brushless lawn mower.  I asked them why and they couldn't give me the technical reason why the dual blades wouldn't work.  When Home Depot has them is stock, I am going to purchase them and see if they work.  It looks like I would only need a longer bolt.  If they don't fit on my lawn mower, I'll just return them to Home Depot.  They also advised me that the motor doesn't have anymore power than my dual battery lawn mower.  I already have purchased three lawn mowers from them, so I have nothing to lose to see if the blades work.
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The reply I got from Ego was similar but with a little more detail.

No, the tri-cut blade will not fit on the mower since the motor shaft and assembly is built different than the G1 and G2 mowers.



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UGH. I want the dual-blade AND the dual-battery capacity. I already have the 2142 (dual-battery) which supposedly is the same motor (1000w and brushless) and you're telling me the only way to get better cut quality is to buy a NEW mower and go back to 1/2 the battery capacity when I already own 4 batteries. Grrrrrrr
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Agree with Mike

The 2142 is the same G2 2100 mower with a dual battery peak power motor.  Big improvement yes - I am currently planning on buying one in the spring. But...

The 213X models are a new G3 mower design - controls, platform,  motor shaft and assembly, etc.

Maybe there will be a 215X line someday with the 213X design/features and the 2142 motor/power sytem.

As others have posted - be glad that the platform you have invested in tools and batteries is innovating and improving. (batteries by the way that are completely interchangeable on the entire Ego inventory of tools - what other company can say that, I am not an expert but seems most have multiple battery lines) 

I understand it is frustrating when new models come out and you just spent money on one that is now "missing" features.  I do not understand the intense anger about it or holding a grudge over it.
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Are you serious about intense anger and grudge?  I own two new BMW's (one is a M5) and a 2016 Corvette Z06.  I am not bringing that point up for bragging purposes, but to say that I have intense anger is laughable.  I could buy a new lawn mower every year if I wanted and it wouldn't hurt me financially.  By the way, I have already bought three lawn mowers.  I was just stating what Ego was doing to make money.  Where do you see the anger????  Also, there is quite a difference in power between the 2142 and the previous lawn mowers.  Do you really think that this new lawn mower would out perform the 2142 (which I own) if it had dual blades.  By the way, I really don't care about the new features of the new lawn mower, except for the dual blades. I just care about performance.  Just because I am not happy that Ego did not make dual blades for the 2142 does not mean that I am losing sleep over it.  Also, who is holding a grudge???
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Bill, of course I think EGO is wanting to make money. The point is why to introduce a new mower when mowing season is winding down. Not going to make a lot of sales of mowers at this time of year. 
However, there is a likelihood that EGO is releasing the mower now to build anticipation for mowing season or gift giving. Plus any of the review sites that want to get their final reviews in before the new year.
Ok, I'm not sure I agree that a dual blade dual battery model on the old gen platform would be better than this mower. My opinion only and since I don't have a dual battery model take it for what it's worth. But, what I do know from this new mower is the grass chamber is different. The shape seems a little different, the motor mount doesn't extend down into the chamber as far. 
Redesign can work instead of more power. Remember when dragsters raised their rear spoilers way above the rear wheels? No power increase, but performance increases and elapsed times were better. Sometimes a simple design tweak can be all that's needed. 
Having said that, I would like to see a double blade setup for all the mowers. If it can be done on this new one, I'm sure EGO's engineers can come up with something for existing mowers. However, EGO's record of introducing asked for accessories is not very good so don't hold your breath. LOL.  
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Bill, of course I think EGO is wanting to make money. The point is why to introduce a new mower when mowing season is winding down. Not going to make a lot of sales of mowers at this time of year. 
However, there is a likelihood that EGO is releasing the mower now to build anticipation for mowing season or gift giving. Plus any of the review sites that want to get their final reviews in before the new year.
Ok, I'm not sure I agree that a dual blade dual battery model on the old gen platform would be better than this mower. My opinion only and since I don't have a dual battery model take it for what it's worth. But, what I do know from this new mower is the grass chamber is different. The shape seems a little different, the motor mount doesn't extend down into the chamber as far. 
Redesign can work instead of more power. Remember when dragsters raised their rear spoilers way above the rear wheels? No power increase, but performance increases and elapsed times were better. Sometimes a simple design tweak can be all that's needed. 
Having said that, I would like to see a double blade setup for all the mowers. If it can be done on this new one, I'm sure EGO's engineers can come up with something for existing mowers. However, EGO's record of introducing asked for accessories is not very good so don't hold your breath. LOL.  
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Ego is a business not a charity, they need to make money / sales to survive and grow and create new products. Try starting your own business where you just let customers trade in your old products for new ones every year and see how long that business model lasts.
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I don't think the 2142 has the same motor. The 2142 is ,I believe rated at higher watts plus higher ft lbs, than the new twin blade model. This new model seems to be closer to the metal deck version power wise. But I'm not sure....

This entry is real close design to Honda's gas powered mowers and I can't think of any other manufacturers that does this.....blade design wise. I think Honda rebrands Egos in other countries so the twin blade design makes sense. A twin blade Honda commercial mower just won a cutting power shootout on protools buy a wide margin due in part to their blade design.

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The new twin blade is rated at 7 foot lbs of torque - for what that is worth
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2142 rated at 8.5 ft lbs per protools reviews.
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The 2142 has a 1200 watt brushless motor.  Ego probably won't make a dual blade for the 2142 because it would take sales away from the new lawn mower.  I hope I am wrong.
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So, if I understand correctly, are you saying that the dual battery has more foot pounds of torque than the new single battery select cut.
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That appears to be the case. I can confirm that the 2140/2142 has a ton of power (if needed)...
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The 2142 was at least equal or better than every other mower in the protools shootout ft lbs wise including the overall winning gas model the commercial Honda which has dual cutting blades. Now the Honda does have a nice cutting chamber but those dual blades are nice.

Sucks that it is not backwards compatible.

Jeremy
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You never know - maybe they will offer an upgrade kit
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For a mower that costs more, more power and battery capacity, they better!
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I get the frustration - happens to me every year that Apple announces a new phone.  I guess you have to consider the rate that this technology is advancing and new products are a good thing.
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Interesting mower evolution Ego has going.


20" first


21" brushed plastic = nice upgrade


20" steel that Ego promptly forgot.....seemed maybe to be an attempted at a commercial mower?


21" dual battery brushless mower = nice upgrade over brushed 21" but really should have upgraded the chassis.


10ah battery makes brief appearance then disappears at least for now. Seems like a nice match to big power mower.


New Gen 3 or 4? X blade mower with maybe steel deck mower brushless motor , new top plastic and unknown as of now how the cutting chamber or chassis stiffness has changed..


So now Ego has 7 models available? If you count true push models?


Geez.


Jeremy
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Choosers can be choosy ?

Freedom of choice is what you got. Freedom from choice is what you want. 

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All I can say is that comment is Legend
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Who actually said that? Give credit .....
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Freedom..... lyric from a Devo song as far as I know  (1980 punk rock for you youngsters)
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Whip it
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I see it comes with 3 blades.  One upper and your choice of two blades for the lower.  Can someone explain why a user would NOT want to always use the Tri-Cut Premium blade?
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Like the high lift v standard blade - I think it going to vary by user and grass type.
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If you are concerned about the bolts staying put, I'd suggest some blue Locktite.
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Not necessarily concerned about bolts staying put because the nuts are nylock nuts. The concern is that in the extremely clear as mud instructions it basically says not to tighten them and to leave some amount of play. Who knows how much play and how much not to tighten? Here are the exact words from the manual for installing that blade.

...fix the 2 nuts clockwise instead of tightening them and allow some movements between the 2 blades.

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Interesting.  that instruction calls for clarification from tech support, IMO.
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You're right Dave and that's why I can't recommend using that blade. Hopefully EGO will come up with better instructions for that.
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Previous to my EGO 21SP mower, owned Honda Harmony mowers.  The last one had a dual blade which cut great, mulched like a champ, and had awesome vacuuming power.  I'm happy to see EGO at least joining the "2 blade club" to reduce the difference in cut quality between a Honda and the EGO's.  It would be hard for me to justify purchasing another mower so soon, however. 
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I will say that cut quality, bagging, and lift are a big improvement over my old 21" push model and will likely exceed your SP model too. It bags leaves really well too. The front of the mower is shorter so it can get closer to things. It comes with the Gen 3 7.5 ah battery and my experience was the SP didn't lift the mower. Also, note that the battery lid stays open on its own now so you don't have to wrestle with that any more.
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I'm probably with Dave, I'm in no rush to buy a new mower when my current EGO is just fine. Glad to know though that the line continues to improve once that fateful day comes with a need to buy a new mower.
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Bryan, yeah, it's a value judgement call at this point if someone already has a 21" sp model. Same with push mower since EGO released both at the same time. I will say that cut quality and bagging is just that much better than the single blade models though.
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I also have some time running the dual blade Honda setup.....and it does exceptionally well in most conditions. Even better with a few tweaks....at least on the bagging side.

To those who have ran this mower how does the chassis feel? Stiffer or? Is the cutting chamber the same or deeper, smoother?

Plastics feel the same?

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The stiffness of the plastic has never, in any way, come into play for my mowing. I don't know what you are referring to. Both mowers feel equally stiff as far as I can tell. They certainly don't seem to flex, as it were. 
Top pic is the new mower's underside after its first mow. Bottom pic is my old 21" push model. I don't know if the materials are different, but so far, the new one doesn't seem to attract bits of grass as much as the old one. But, I think a better test of that will be in the spring when the grass is growing like mad and I can mow 3 times in 2 weeks no problem. Note that the film of green on my old one in no way affects the performance of my old mower. It still cuts and bags just fine.
The motor mount area is shallower on the new one so it doesn't hang down as far as the old motor mount area. The blades sit about 1/8" higher (farther from the ground) on the new one with the same height setting (I used height setting 3). And, as you can see, the new design has nooks and crannies instead of being smooth. Surprisingly nothing seems to build up in all those nooks and crannies. That may be because the flow out of the mower is so much stronger nothing hangs around. 


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Thanks for the info. Where/when/why did you get the one and how much did it cost if you don't mind me asking?
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Just lucky, I guess?
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Thank you very much for the great answers! Plus side by side pictures!

Looks different in many ways....positive I think.

Very smooth cutting area plus looks like they stiffened the motor mount area. I like the report on shorter front.

Even it has been reported that the gator blade didn't show much improvement it's nice they went for it out of the gate. Sometimes those high lift blade can create to much turbulence. On the Honda hrx a nice trick to bag better in wet grass is to cut the top blade down to basically just use it as a spacer.

Jeremy
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Thank you so much for the pics and info. I am wanting to get this mower very much.
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Does anyone run a dual-blade rig with the 2140/2142?
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Thanks to a couple of you pointing out the shorter front.  My 21SP's front can be quite the nuisance just about every time I mow, so I'm glad to see EGO fixed that design flaw (sorry, but it was).  I am amazed that EGO didn't see fit to make a smooth surface over the motor-area stiffeners.  There is a similar area underneath my 21SP that I periodically blow out with air or water.  It is at the rear of the mower, just outside of the round wall.
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Dave, as you see in the pic of my old 21" non-sp model it has that same area you describe. I generally don't worry about cleaning it out since it seems that most stuff just falls out of it over time.
My thought on the new mower not having the stiffener area above the blades enclosed is the air flow is so much more powerful and nothing can get stuck. I've mowed about 4 times now, maybe 5?, and it still looks as clean as in the pic I posted.
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Thanks.  How about blade noise?  The HL blade is, as any of us that have used it know, is noisier than the stock blade on the 21SP, but it's still a better option for many of us than using the stock blade.  So how is the noise with two blades, by comparison?

Upon looking at the photo again, I see there are bolts which would be problematic if the stiffened area was covered with a smooth cover of sorts.  Given that you don't have trouble with debris getting impacted there, I should stop being concerned.
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I can't speak to blade noise. I don't have a single high lift blade so I don't know what it sounds like on my old mower. I just use my old mower with the original blade. Honestly, I didn't really notice much, if any, difference in noise between the 2 mowers but my hearing may not be what it used to be. LOL That new blade also has 3 fingers sticking up on each end instead of a solid "wing" across the top on each end so maybe that has some effect on noise. Also, the as received 2 blade setup didn't seem any noisier than my single blade model. But, see my disclaimer about my hearing.

Regarding the 2 bolts. The head on those bolts is really thin and actually sits below the white fan piece. The area where the fan piece is looks exactly like the old mower so those bolts aren't problematic at all for the rest of the stiffened area of the underside. But, yeah, unless something drastically changes during regular mowing season I wouldn't worry about the underside.
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VCG construction via a new YouTube review is claiming the new dual blade mower comes with a 10ah battery. Thoughts? The reviewer seems pretty sure about it.

Jeremy
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Jeremy, it's currently being delivered with the Gen 3 "T" 7.5 ah battery.
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Isn't it just a Gen2?

Gen1 = Green/Red Light
Gen2 = Fuel Gauge
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Gen 1 2.0, 4.0, 6.0
Gen 2 2.5, 5.0, 7.5
Gen 3 fuel guage
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Are the cells inside different from the 2.5/5/7.5 to the Fuel Gauge 2.5/5/7.5?
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pretty sure same cells with new display
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The 10ah battery is in the works.
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The run time with the 7.5Ah battery is 60min with the high-performance blade (not high lift).  I would guess that for most people 60min of mowing should do the job any longer than that and I think it's ride-on time.
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I have dual blade setup on mine. Loud as heck and battery doesn't last as long.



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Incognito,
It looks like you have the uplift blade on top of the standard blade.  Did you just use a longer bolt?  I have a dual battery (two 7.5 batteries) lawn mower.  How does it mulch?
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Garbage. It vibrates and its loud and takes up too much battery. NOT RECOMMENDED.
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Imagine willingly wanting to sharpen two ego blades every 8 hours of mow time... I could never even conceive such an insane bout of masochism.

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Interesting premise.

My thought is that the 2 blades are 1/2"ish difference in height thus they will both be cutting the same blade of grass so not sure if there will be much less cutting.

I guess on the recirculating / mulching portion of the cut cycle the more cutting area will come into play more.

Not sure of the over all effect on the blades these will have.
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Well, after about 5 mows with mine, I'm seeing dings in the blades. If the material hasn't changed it doesn't matter how many blades there are. 
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glad my 2 lawns are small enough that about 15 minutes is all it takes me to mow them both and the blade on my 21SP barely needs to be sharpened once a year.  when I sharpen it, I make it "scary sharp" (for you woodworkers out there).
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Dr Dave's 3D House of Tool Sharpening (for you SCTV fans out there) scarrry
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Dave,
I call it "Ninja Sharp". :)
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Why does the non self-propelled model look less nicer?  No green stripes on the wheels, etc.
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I'm not up to speed on this mower. Will this improve the ability to mow bermuda grass?  If I don't stay on top of my bermuda grass in the summer, I need to make two or three passes with my Ego SP to get rid of all the clippings on the surface of my lawn.
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I'm going to do some further testing of this mower in the early spring - the idea of a second blade makes tons of sense to me and from the quality of the cut that it made in my fall testing, I know that this mower performs.  But until I test it head to head I will not know by how much.
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@Kite Army - do you have the 2140SP to compare?
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I had a Honda Harmony plastic deck mower for 11 years before I replaced it with EGO. Only thing I miss after 3-years without it is on dry grass it had tremendous lift and super fine mulching. 

.....but, in damp long grass my old Honda would bog down and spew out tons of clumps but my EGO just eats right through it all. Be interesting to see Kite Army's spring test with thick damp early spring grass.
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I think I'm going to compare the EGO with something like a gas Toro but I would certainly entertain suggestions
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Why not a dual blade honda
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Or maybe a battery Toro.....Really hard to find reviews on the Toro plus it kinda would set up old school vs new design mowers being that the Toro is an older design with just a electric motor adapted to fit.